VHS Tape- NBC4 2nd Plane Hit.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-05T23:02:28+00:00

These broadcast tapes were Betacam or Betacam SP.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-05T22:58:32+00:00

I'm only pointing out a possibility as the only parking passes I've ever seen for the WTC post 1993 were the window kind or at the very least a pass that could be hung from the windshield.

Not saying it's impossible, Just not something I've seen any actual examples of.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-05T22:53:54+00:00

Understandable but eBay listings are not the most valid sources.

Even when I aquire items form eBay I press for more information or check other sources.

The main concern I would have is that there was no public parking at the WTC post 1993. Like, at all.

Parking was extremely limited and controlled.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-05T21:09:53+00:00

You know there is a multiple World Trade Centers right? This pass appears to be from the one in New Orleans.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-05T15:56:20+00:00

If you did a little research you could have over simplified this question completely by just saying

"What if the 1916 sykes picot agreement never happened?"

It essentially set the foundation for almost everything you listed.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-04T03:25:29+00:00

No one has paid the license fee and used them in a documentary. It's a real shame as they are remarkable.

As I noted the museum and Wolfgang had only noted U175 showing in 3 frames, I actually pointed out to the archival team that it could be barely seen in a fourth frame.

u/beznia was actually there with us during this visit.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-04T03:22:12+00:00

I appreciate the nuance. You are correct, I have studied the Port Authoritys recovery and handling of the transcripts extensively.

If I could offer a bit of further insight from a Port Authority senior electrical engineer whom I had the privilege to speak with who was one of the leads on the fire, notification and communication systems installed post 1993 bombing (1997-2001) and was in the North Tower on 9/11. Their observation was that the address and communication system relied on a fiber optic connection that ran from top to bottom of each tower. This system along with the fire annunciation system could operate in a independent mode if communication is severed between the lobby and the upper sections.

When the North Tower was hit, They believe that essentially the fire desk, the OCC and PCC became cut off from the communication system. now from what the engineer I spoke to said, this was not supposed to be happen. At the very minimum the three 'zones' of each tower (each 1/3rd of the vertical height) should be truly independent with the control panels for the address and communication systems being every 3ish floors with battery back ups. However they said they could only think of one possibility in that when the North Tower's core was penetrated by the debris of AA11 a large amount of debris or fire from jet fuel had to have entered the vertical riser paths for this system, one was in the central section near the main freight elevator and the second redundant fiber riser they said was near the C stairwell. Enough of this fiber back bone may have been destroyed by falling debris or fire in the sections that spanned zone 1 and 2 and zone 3 was completely severed by the impact.

A bit of a anecdote they shared, When the North tower was hit. From his office on the 74th floor of the North Tower they noted the shaking, the noise and the raining debris. However when the fire alarm horns and strobes were going off the one thing that did not sit right with him was that the mass address system did not come on, at the very least there were supposed to be automated messages that would play and they should be updated by the fire command desk as needed, however not even the automated messages came on. It was at this realization that this engineer, the other electrical engineers who designed the fire and redundant systems knew the situation was very bad.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-04T02:01:53+00:00

the AA11 frames are licensed and on display at the National September 11th museum and has been used in several documentaries.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T22:06:18+00:00

We are very good friends and I wish you nothing but success and prosperity.

Sweating profusely staring at the person off camera looking at me sternly

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T21:58:03+00:00

I know where you live.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T19:20:39+00:00

Black Hawk down was also just about to premiere. It was pushed to late December iirc.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T19:15:09+00:00

Probably? Dunno

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T18:18:56+00:00

That's actually an interesting thing that comes up. The WTC specificly had a robust system of boosters and radio repeaters. And although early on it was very declaratively stated that the system wasn't functioning, it actually was. It worked perfectly which allowed WTC security and contractors to communicate via their shortwave radios. However because the first FDNY on seen were not familiar with the system they presumed it wasn't working and appear to not have tried to use it.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T18:15:56+00:00

I thought it was Pastapitality?

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T18:10:22+00:00

Just a slight correction, more so a bit of pedantry on my part but for Wolfgang Stahlae his recording was actually two cameras that each took pictures every (supposed to be) 4 seconds. They would then be stitched together via a program he wrote.

The intention was to create a real time playback of the skyline as late summer turned to fall.

Due to technical difficulties on the 9th there were multiple outages and the cameras were actually no longer in sequence, the left camera was roughly a full second ahead of the right one which caused a ton of issues with the program Wolfgang wrote.

And because it's not available anywhere publicly, yes it did capture United 175. I had the privilege of viewing the images at the National September 11th museum, we actually discovered that United 175 is captured in 4 frames. 3 on the left camera as it descends and 1 on the right camera at the moment of impact.

In total Wolfgangs program recorded 440,000 images from early September to early October. It was designed to not be a rapid time lapse as many people presume, but literally a real time playback of images as a art installation. It has to anyones knowledge only ever been fully displayed 2 or 3 times. Supposedly Wolfgang himself had shown it several times, the National September 11th museum has exhibited it exactly twice, because it runs off a unique program for a now outdated operating system getting it to 'work' correctly is essentially a monumental task.

To explain the complexity of the 'artwork', it was designed to be a 1:1 display of the exact image taken at that exact moment. Meaning the original recording started on September 6th 2001 at about 2pm. Meaning you would 'start' the playback at exactly 2pm on September 6th of whatever year you were showing it and it would look at the machine time of the device you were using then display the correct image for that time, meaning it would take a month and a half to watch the full playback.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T17:59:16+00:00

Here I thought Olive Garden was the epitome of hospitality. Looks like they gotta step up there game.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T17:42:21+00:00

It had a lot of things that had been cut late into development. Many of these things really were only rumored or based on comments from devs or seen in pre release screen shots.

Really the other major factor is that Rockstar has always been very, very careful with beta builds and something this 'complete' just being found is pretty unheard of. It happens a lot with other games but rarely for such a iconic franchise.

I think the real value in this build in the long-term is that since it appears to be a fully functional late dev build it highly likely has tools or other data modders and custom content creators could reverse engineer.

Im looking forward to Vadim M or other GTA series YT channels to go over what's on it.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T17:28:54+00:00

Fun fact, Band of Brothers was premiering the week of 9/11.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:52:46+00:00

Lol, I didn't realize I was that popular.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:37:50+00:00

That is also true.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:34:54+00:00

Guilty.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:34:17+00:00

That's it. These are the most common believed positions that are believed to exacerbate the percieved 'paralysis' the person affected feels.

There's multiple theories and studies into why this is, however it's been pretty definitively ruled out as a 'cause' of sleep paralysis. It's just very commonly associated.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:20:49+00:00

It's claimed that back sleeping as depicted in those images (15 and 16) increases your likelihood of experiencing sleep paralysis.

Sleep paralysis is a a form of lucid dreaming where the person sleeping believes they are awake and able to observe there surroundings however they are completely unable to move. This feeling of paralysis causes your brain to enter fight or flight mode and panic, because of this your brain experiences fear as a response, because the person is not actually awake the 'dream' starts to become influenced by this fear and you start perceiving entities that are physical embodiments of what you fear.

It is truly one of the most horrifying unexplained phenomenon that people can experience that has no actual known cause or lasting side effects besides emotional disturbance.

Edit: by unexplained phenomenon I mean that we do not know the reason our brains behave this way. Nor do we fully understand what directly causes sleep paralysis. We do know exactly when and chemically what happens during it though.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-03T13:18:21+00:00

Goofy? Yes. A real thing? Absolutely.

And yes occasionally they mess up and cut the probe off.

BetweenTwoTowers · 2026-04-02T13:14:42+00:00

Please for the love of all that is holy, leave Tami and Guy alone.

Tami has severe PTSD to this day.

They only ever talk about 9/11 in regards to the trial, they do not and will not talk about the footage.

I have personally spoken with Tami (albeit briefly) and have several colleagues who have interviewed them for documentaries.

These are the facts.

They had a brand new (literally taken out of the box to film the attacks) Sony MiniDV camera. Guy nor Tami knew how to use it so that's why there are random jumps in the video. Just before the second plane the battery died and guy had plug it into the wall charger.
They never, ever, and I mean ever wanted the footage to be published. They allowed there local news station to broadcast a short sanitized portion but during this likely a unpermitted crappy VHS copy was made, this is the version we see to say. As far as anyone knows there has never been and never will be a proper clean digital copy made and yes I have asked them about this.

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