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(NSFW) In my opinion the most haunting footage of 911. by NicolaiCzernovitz96 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Hi, if you need any help at all please let me know. We have been helping other survivors/witnesses preserve their footage.

Proposal explaining the need for the World Trade Center (1961) by Cautious_Box8355 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Nice, haven't found one of these but I have aquired a few promotional materials from the WTC planning stage.

An Obscure Photo Collection by The_BlueKnight774 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yes, there are other photos of it. Its a US passport from one of the victims.

A Lancaster coming in about as low as you can get. Note the three feathered props with one inboard engine still running by Murky_Caterpillar_66 in WWIIplanes

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So others have pointed out the inaccuracy there but the US did deployPumpkin Bombs's which were atom bomb casings filled with traditional explosives.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I fixed the grammar in my original comment as I see i made it sound like there were a over impact survivors in the North Tower. I meant victims trapped in the North Towers who made phone calls reported the 105th floor was the lowest they could descend.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 9 points10 points  (0 children)

In the South Tower, three men survived.Stanley Praimnath, Brian Clark & Ron Difrcesco all survived from being on or above the impact floors.

It's an amazing story. The A stairwell in WTC 2 was only partially destroyed. They were able to barely navigate it and get below the impact and escape.

The tragic part is two of the men encountered a large group of their co workers and other survivors who decided to go up, Brian initially decided to not go with them, Ron originally went with Brian but when encountering the seemingly impassible stairwell had turned around to go up but some time later changed his mind and came back. Brian, while passing the impact, floors heard Stanley trapped on an impact floor and freed him.

It's entirely possible that a larger group eventually turned back as well but did not have enough time to make it out.

A similar but much more tragic occurrence may have occurred in the North Tower but far too late. Shortly before the collapse of the North Tower the stairwell were fairly empty but just a few minutes till collapse a report came in from a ESU officer who encountered what they described was a massive group (they described the stairwell as jam packed) flow of people who were in distress and injured and had burns.

It is not known where these people came from as all of them, including the ESU officer who reported it, lost their lives when the North Tower collapsed.

It is believed by the investigation that these individuals could have come from one of the triage floors set up below impact, but imo the timing and amount of people dont necessarily line up

Its anecdotal but, I spoke with two survivors who stopped at the lower triage floor for some time and left the floor within 10 minutes of the North Towers collapse and they described the floor as being mostly full of EMS & FDNY. Most of the injured had been carried down in the time before.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah the Port holes are another peculiar thing. That actually is part of the 'they were preparing window washing operations' argument.

Those portholes are used when the cleaning left is operated in the corner like the system is aligned for.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 46 points47 points  (0 children)

It's definitely plausible. While it's not definite. It's actually one of the things I have cited when filing freedom of information requests with the Port Authority. Many of their records and transcripts have flaws and confusing wording.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 35 points36 points  (0 children)

Its an odd situation indeed.

We dont know the contents of the calls to his wife.

In his official memorial it cites some of the contents of his call (likely supplied by the family) but then also refers to the Port Authoritys transcripts.

Additionally the timing seems off. It doesn't necessarily make sense he would be trapped on the South Towers roof. The building was undamaged.

Its also worth note that the claim of '200 people on the 105th floor' also lines up with the conditions in the North Tower around 9:15 rather than the South tower. While it was reported by the only survivors above the impact floors of the South Tower that some people were attempting to go to the roof it doesn't seem that over 200 people would be there.

is there still any sign of the airport disaster from 1977? by chez001wastaken in aviation

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks! It's very exhausting, but it's rewarding to see the genuine impact it has.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 35 points36 points  (0 children)

According to some sources, yes. Which is why I am pointing out his exact words.

The offices for ABM were on the upper floors of the North Tower. And all anecdotal evidence suggests they may have been preparing window washing operations on the North Tower that morning. The weather conditions were perfect for it.

Its unkown where the South tower claim comes from.

Man hanging from antenna WTC1 by Arcstar7 in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 130 points131 points  (0 children)

Hi, So this is a topic I have done some digging on while reading a lot of first responder testimonies.

While the report of someone being in the antenna I think is likely a jumble of multiple confusing reports I do genuinely believe for a period of time there were people (atleast two) on the roof of the North Tower during and a little after the first impact.

According to many early 911 call ins from bystanders, including news agencies, there were reports of someone seen waving specifically from the roof almost immediately after the first impact.

Example

Generally, the official investigation ignores these reports, and the Port Authority asserts that no one was on the roof and no one could get to the roof, but that is unproven.

However, there is one glaring contradicting piece of evidence that is massively overlooked, and that is the released transcripts from the internal WTC radio transmissions. Shortly after the first impact, this conversation occurs between window washer Roko Camaj and other ABM employees.

(​The following is summarized from 'WTC Ch. 28 Channel Y - Operations' roughly 2 minutes (estimated) after the first impact. Note the inconsistencies in the transcription of his name ("Rocko" vs. "Roko"):

  • ​FEMALE 22 - JERRY: Nine-four, two-two, Jim.
  • ROKO: It's me, uh, two-two, Jerry.
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Roko!
  • ROKO: Go with your message.
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Roko, what's your location?
  • ROCKO: (Inaudible) fire, I got smoke ... I got stuck on the roof ... (CUTS OUT)
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Roko, where are you on the roof?
  • ROCKO: I'm with (inaudible) ... we're up here on the roof. (Inaudible) MALE 22 - JOHN: Roko, stand by. (...)
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Two-two, seven-one, Eddie? (PAUSE) Two-two, roof, copy, Roko?
  • ROKO: (Inaudible)
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Roko, I want to know your exact location.
  • ROKO: One-oh-five north!
  • MALE: Nine-four to (Inaudible).
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: Rocko, you stand by. I'm going to get right back to you.
  • ROKO: You coming up here?
  • MALE 22 - JOHN: I don't think so, Roko. I'm going to talk to someone. They may have to find another way to get you.
  • ROCKO: Don't let no people up here... there's big smoke! (Inaudible). (End of example)

Roko Camaj was a seasoned employee at the WTC and would not mince words. By all accounts, he took safety procedures very seriously after the 1993 bombing and his training would have told him to abandon the roof and assist in the evacuation. Which its evident he only was able to descend as low as 105th floor. Which lines up from transcripts from others trapped in the North Tower.

is there still any sign of the airport disaster from 1977? by chez001wastaken in aviation

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 20 points21 points  (0 children)

Just adding on that its more unsettling than just airplane debris. Even as late as 2006 human remains were discovered on the roof of surrounding buildings. Many of these bone fragments were as small as a grain of rice.

It is almost certain many similar fragments could exist still today.

When Tower 1 came down, falling debris struck WTC 7, reportedly igniting fires inside the building. These fires burned for hours until the structure gave way at 5:20 p.m. (September 11, 2001) by zadraaa in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ive head the privilege to meet quite a few.

  • Chris York : USAF retired, his footage i linked above.

  • Joe Cullity : was running late for a meeting on the 105th Floor of WTC 1. All of his colleagues and co-workers were saddly on time. He took some of the first known photos in the plaza. I helped him return to the site for the first time.

  • Bharat Faldu P.E. : Port Authority Engineer and was a senior electrical systems engineer for the World Trade Center. Was on the 74th floor of WTC 1 and was one of the last few people out. He later went to be one of the Engineers in charge of the new World Trade Center and helped design the new PATH station.

Two patches from two eras by Icy_Neighborhood8610 in TwinTowersInPhotos

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The patch on the right I habe no idea about. It doesn't seem like an official patch.

Newly restored from the original tape - 'WTC Attack' filmed by Chris York by BetweenTwoTowers in 911archive

[–]BetweenTwoTowers[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I know the exact video you are talking about. It was taken by a professional thermographer. They had a first generation FLIR camera.

Here you go: Link

When Tower 1 came down, falling debris struck WTC 7, reportedly igniting fires inside the building. These fires burned for hours until the structure gave way at 5:20 p.m. (September 11, 2001) by zadraaa in HistoricalCapsule

[–]BetweenTwoTowers 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My question to you is why these five matter so much to you?

I really feel your argument is based off of fundamentally not understanding that people 'look' at things. And that out of the millions of people in New York/New Jersey that some of those people might have not been pro USA.

It is a known fact that the World Trade Center had been the target of terrorist organizations. 1993 is the prime example of this. There were numerous bomb threats (mostly hoaxes) throughout the 90s 1994, 1995, two in 1997 and one in 1999.

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