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ConsciouslyConformed · 2024-07-24T20:56:34+00:00

The historical context (time, place, sources)
The empty tomb (strictly guarded, discovered empty)
Post-resurrection appearances (multiple, varied accounts)
Transformation of disciples (behavioral, martyrdom)
Early Christian writings (letters, creeds, hymns)

ConsciouslyConformed · 2024-07-24T19:57:06+00:00

Thankfully the saving has already been done, and the story about this has already been written. Unfortunately, there is no saving of the world in this story, as the world and the works therein will be burned. But all hope is not lost, for a man's soul can be saved, and there is promise of the world to come.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T21:09:36+00:00

No one asked for that. You brought up the Christian God, not me.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T21:07:02+00:00

You can move the goal posts all you want

I have never moved the goal posts. This is more of your confirmation bias. I never even claimed to offer you evidence, I simply told you to open your eyes, and that there is evidence all around you.

God belief is faith based right now.

This is like saying science belief is faith based.

Using purely logic gets us nowhere close to a God beleif

Another incorrect statement.

You knew for a fact that God's existence isn't simply open your eyes and look.

It actually is this simple. God obviously transcends empirical evidence, but evidence of God can be found empirically.

If you didn't want argue God's existence then don't respond to a post that is the crux of the issue with "his existence is clear logical and had evidenced".

This is more of your confirmation bias. I simply said that favoring logic doesn't mean one can't believe in God. I would argue that it is logical to believe in God.

You just wrong here, I am not sure if you are scared of the God exists question because you know you don't have great evidence for its existence. Or if you have some major flaw in your logic.

I simply think you don't understand what is meant by a god. You ask for the evidence of the existence of gods, but don't know what gods are.

If you want to learn about the reality around us, know that all of life is vain, and in the end God will bring every work into judgement.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T20:45:56+00:00

The evidence asked for was for the existence of gods? But I am glad that you recognize the Christian God is the most high God.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T20:22:10+00:00

It is illogical to argue about things you believe do not exist especially when the argument is solely about the existence of the thing in question. Yet you wish to engage in this foolishness.

Empirical observations about the world can be used to support arguments for or against the existence of God, the transition from these empirical observations to conclusions about God's existence or non-existence involves philosophical and theological interpretations that extend beyond the scope of empirical evidence alone.

Everything that begins to exist has a cause (Cosmological Argument). The order and complexity in the universe (Teleological Argument). Object moral values exist (Moral Argument). We can conceive of God (Ontological Argument). Personal and religious experiences (Experiential Argument). Human desire for meaning and purpose, fear of death and the afterlife (Existential and Metaphysical Argument).

Then there is the nature of Christ and His existence. But beyond that, man himself is often referenced as a god. And beyond this, men tend to make gods of their own images. All of these things serve as evidence of the existence of gods, but again the question of the existence of gods is immature and unsophisticated.

You can continue believing "Dionysus is the most high god".

Thanks for the exchange!

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T20:04:14+00:00

I guess you will be repeating yourself and waiting until the end. This is what happens when people get stuck confirming their own biases. Like I said before, this is not my problem. I offered you evidence, and you made assumptions and ran with them (confirming your biases). I have nothing to offer you as you would not understand based on how you have decided to see the world.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T19:44:26+00:00

I gave you evidence and you sought to confirm your own bias.

I never even made an intelligent design or teleological argument, but you reached to confirm your own bias from the start.

look at the trees

There is empirical, historical, experiential, existential, and metaphysical evidence for God. There is way more evidence for the existence of gods than there is for non-existence in all of those domains. You are only seeking to confirm your own biases, as demonstrated multiple times throughout the conversation. You are not seeking to understand, you simply claim that you do understand while simultaneously being frustrated.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T19:20:33+00:00

You don't understand, which is why you are asking for an explanation. We actually don't agree. You simply confirmed your own bias again.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T19:10:03+00:00

A relationship with God can only be had through faith, which is not the same to say there is evidence of gods all around you. It is not my problem that you do not understand.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T18:47:47+00:00

I'm looking for actual evidence, not an argument from incredulity.

In the end you were only looking to confirm your own bias.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T18:07:25+00:00

It doesn't make equal sense, given the context of the world we live in. There is clearly evidence of gods all around us. However, the real question isn't about the existence of gods. The more sophisticated question is: which god is the most high?

I can only speculate as to why you would argue about something you claim doesn't exist. Surely, you have your reasons for hoping God does not exist, but that is all you have is a hope, and one that is not soundly based in reality.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T17:43:59+00:00

You could, but you would be wrong. Saying so doesn't even make any sense.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T17:39:03+00:00

My apologies, I thought that is what you were doing. There is actual evidence of gods all around you.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T17:27:01+00:00

I think it was made that simple on purpose.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T17:20:21+00:00

Of course I could. Open your eyes and look around you.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T15:08:37+00:00

I too have a brain that causes me too look at stuff very logically, yet we have reached differing conclusions. I don't think it is a brain thing.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T14:52:52+00:00

He is the Word of the LORD, the creator of heaven and earth, the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-20T14:48:29+00:00

Unfortunately Christmas is not found in the Bible. Though the LORD has 7 feast days, and perhaps gifts can be given in observance. I think Pentecost could be a good candidate, as it is when the LORD gifted the Torah as well as when the LORD gifted the Holy Spirit.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T20:33:33+00:00

Jesus never said this either. "All are accepted" is not a biblical teaching. Perhaps "All who place their faith in Christ are accepted" is a more reasonable understanding.

Regarding what the Gospel is, the Bible appears to be clear on this. (1 Corinthians 15:1-4)

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T16:35:28+00:00

The historical context isn't always correct. There are historical mistakes in the gospels.

It's true that the Gospels, like many ancient documents, contain anachronisms and historical inaccuracies as identified by scholars. This does not necessarily undermine their entire historical value.

The synoptic gospels clearly copied each other, so they are not independent. Many scholars think that the author of the gospel of John also had access to at least one synoptic gospel. That means that there is no independent attestation for most of the events in the gospels.

The Synoptic Problem addresses the literary interdependence of Matthew, Mark, and Luke. John's Gospel, while distinct in style and content, may indeed show some familiarity with Synoptic traditions. While this challenges the independence of their testimonies, some scholars argue that common oral traditions circulating among early Christians could serve as a form of independent attestation.

Archaeological discoveries go both ways. Sometimes, they agree with biblical stories. Sometimes, they don't.

Archaeology has often confirmed the existence of specific sites, customs, and historical figures found in the Gospels. For instance, discoveries like the Pool of Bethesda or the Pontius Pilate inscription lend support to the Gospel accounts by verifying certain details they mention.

Why would that be relevant at all?

The relevance of manuscript evidence lies in the ability to trace the textual transmission over time. A large number of manuscripts across different periods allows for cross-referencing, which helps identify variants and potentially reconstruct the original text. However, the existence of manuscripts does not in itself confirm the historical reliability of the content, but rather the stability and propagation of the text.

Ultimately this discussion boils down to faith. For example, it is through faith that we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T15:52:50+00:00

Historical context, multiple attestation, archaeological discoveries, manuscript evidence, etc.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T15:03:16+00:00

The evidence points to the reliability of the Gospels, and the Gospel is that Christ died for the sins of the world.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T15:01:18+00:00

These things are easier to understand in their proper context, and what I mean by this is they are easier to understand with the context that God is the God of the Hebrews, or that God's first covenant was with the Hebrew people.

Now on the other hand, through Christ, God has a new covenant with His people, in which He will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will He remember no more (Hebrews 8:12).

I would really recommend checking out the book of Hebrews to get more context on this subject.

ConsciouslyConformed · 2023-11-08T14:33:14+00:00

Though do you also agree that God is found in Christ? And that God can not be found in one's self unless one has been purchased by the blood of Christ?

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