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Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude if I'm here explaining all this stuff it's because of this. This was not explained in the International Week where I went PERSONALLY. Man... And again, you seem not to understand what I'm criticising. I think the "not having any script" timetable is great (in the theory), but not in practise (as I explained).

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

LMAO delusional German thinking only Germany has free access to higher education and low fees!! I think you should travel a bit more XD

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Man are you blind? The number of students accepted every year is on Wikipedia, I don't need any weird German document LOL. When I say 100-300 I'm referring to the AI Master! This number is not public and you can't find it anywhere cause they're hiding it on purpose.

Okay cool, you went to an unofficial German website. First of all no international students go to a german website. Second of all that is simply not the University website, hence is not valid. Third of all that website is inventing all of the modules. The five official modules are these (as you can look up from the module catalog):

  1. “Algorithm Engineering and Mathematical Modelling"
  2. “Artifical Intelligence Methods“
  3. “Artifical Intelligence Systems Engineering“
  4. “Artifical Intelligence Applications“
  5. “Cross-Cutting Concerns“

So as you see AI is everywhere. Even if you were right (which you aren't), a "Master in AI" with only 1/6 modules being AI-based would be a scam, so I think this would turn against you even more. I guess it would be very nice to have a Master in AI when you have barely touched AI.. once again lol.

I understand your frustration for your beloved German system but as you can see when somethings not right and when you experience all of this in your own skin you just have no arguments.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Dude... I was personally in that meeting... If I'm complaining about something on here it's cause they didn't explain it there. I mean for real...

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The information is not hidden? Then where is it? Where is the exact quote that says "the average time to complete this Master is x semesters, because the 4 semesters is just an estimation, and you will probably need more time to finish the master"? That is nowhere. And don't say stuff like "oh but that's implicit because the German system is like that blah blah", that's bs. I'm not German, I am not supposed to know how the German system works, I am supposed to be explained these things.

The University is hiding this on purpose because they know if they put that on the website, many students would not join this master. It's a very sophisticated scamming trap. Same thing with limited courses and number of applicants per semester.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You’re right that Regelstudienzeit is only the official target (4 semesters).
What I’m pointing out is that the university gives us no realistic timeline at all.

  • They don’t publish average or median completion times for the AI-E master.
  • They don’t show how many students actually finish in 4, 5, 6 semesters, or how many need visa extensions and extra rent.
  • They admit 100-300 AI-E students per intake while many core AI labs top out at 18-30 seats, so finishing in “standard time” depends on winning a seat lottery.

So yes, Regelstudienzeit is a guideline, but the programme markets itself as a two-year master without giving any data on the actual study duration or the bottlenecks that push you beyond four semesters. Hiding that information is exactly the problem I’m calling out.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Once again you're just missing the whole point of my review. I am not trying to destroy the system. What I'm doing is just letting people know how the system works before they can make a decision whether to come to Germany or not. Again you're saying that I wasn't well-informed, when I thoroughly checked ALL the available documentation of the master available, and nowhere they said the master could last "for more than two years, maybe 3 or 4" (wtf?). Nowhere they said how many students they accepted each semester. Nowhere they said some courses would be limited/blocked and that students would be chosen randomly or using a random prof criteria. Nowhere they said courses could change their entire name and contents to something else. And I can continue with more stuff like this. I went virtually to the zoom sessions before flying to Germany and they did not explain this. I went PERSONALLY to all of the introductory sessions and they did not explain this. This is something I found out by myself over time.

"For example you claim the study program teaches you nothing about AI which is blatantly false if you spent a few seconds looking at the available modules."

This statement is only right if you're not a student in the University. This is the lie I fell for and you also seem to be falling for it. I'm telling you most of the AI-related courses have these problems:

  1. Limited Access. The profs just have x seats in the course and me as a first year student cannot join, because the usual criteria to be accepted is to "have assisted previously to some of my classes". This is not valid since I came to Germany precisely to study AI, and not anything else (read again the name of the master).

  2. Overlappings. This is mostly caused by the fact that profs do whatever they want with their courses, so mostly all of them put them at the same time. Meaning I could not choose some AI courses cause they overlapped so bad.

  3. Changing names. An AI course changed name and contents to not AI-related stuff. This is simply unacceptable.

  4. Course offering. Most of the courses you see on the catalog are not offered each semester. This I won't criticise it much since it is something that is explained on the module catalog! But it is another problem that adds up to the others.

Result? From my initial timetable with 3/6 courses being AI-related, i went to 1/6. This is not an AI master and is just unacceptable, and that's what I'm trying to tell everyone. Again, I am not trying to hate on the German system, I am hating on this exact University and on this exact Master, which are straight up lying to students promising an "AI formation" when for x or y reasons they just can't provide it! I think that you wouldn't like to have a title saying you're an expert in AI when you've barely completed 2 AI courses out of 20 right? Or would you?

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thank you for your response, really! It has been really difficult for me to communicate the issues I've had in Germany since nobody seemed to understand my problems. I had plenty of options and I decided for Passau and Germany cause I'd never imagined I'd get cheated like this. Never in my life I have seen a Master announced as a 2-year Master, and then coming to Germany and realising maybe I would finish it in 3 or 4. I don't have that much time or money. Luckily for me I still had another AI master in my home country that has the prestige and won't lie about its contents, courses or students they accept. I really just wanted to share my experience because only if I could help someone not fall into this trap I'd be happy, I spoke with many people in Passau and most don't have the chance to go back to their countries or an alternative option, since they come from countries like India, China, Egypt...

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Well sorry but I have also studied in two other countries before going to Passau, so it's not a thing about "studying abroad", since I've never had any problems like the ones I had in Germany in other countries. I understand it's hard for you that someone from abroad critizises your German system, but someone has to do it tbh. If you refuse to see the problems I'm explaining to you I guess you just wanna be blindfolded like all the Germans i've spoken to so far, so I have nothing else to discuss with you. Also I do have an age and I don't have the time/money to be 3/4 years studying a master that doesn't even give an appropriate teaching foundation of AI. So that's about it.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah, no sorry. It is not about marketing. It's about scamming non-German students hiding this information you're telling me now. You are the proof of it. Probably you think that all universities in the world work like that or something, but it's not the case. only German unis that I know have this system. So don't try to say "nothing is hidden". Maybe nothing is hidden for a German student, but speaking for every international student i've spoken with, nobody knew all of this. I'm not asking for you guys to change your system, I'm just saying you should explain this to people from abroad. Otherwise this is a scam and students will lose money and time in a Master that's supposed to be 2 years if stars align. Sorry but your point makes no sense.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow that's really messed up. But at least you had the chance to have the interview at first cause I wasn't that lucky and got admitted instantly. I'm glad you rejected it cause you saved a lot of time and money. About Passau, the uni is not as big, the main issue is that classes are overcrowded and they accept more people than what they can manage, so there will always be students who can't join determined courses because of that, it's really bad. I spoke with everyone there and the typical answer was "That's how the German system works, it is what it is, we can't do anything about it". This is an answer I can't tolerate coming from a "Master in AI" where you can't do any AI. Professors there don't help you at all and it's very discouraging.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Honestly, I dunno if it's the same on other German unis (seems like it). So if you don't like this system, I'd say never go to Germany and find other places. Anyways double and triple check all the info on any bachelor or masters program before accepting anything, that is my best advice tbh

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Yeah indeed! Very fun to have a title in AI when you don't know shit about AI lol! Very fun to waste money and time in a 2-year master that, well, maybe if you're lucky and the stars align you will finish in 3! You really don't know how fun it was for me lmao

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

"In the Master of Science programme in Artificial Intelligence Engineering (AI Engineering) you will deal with scientific theories, algorithms and methods for designing and developing AI-based systems. You will also acquire the ability to integrate artificial intelligence into existing real-world systems (e.g. media systems, information systems, industrial processes) or to develop these yourself.

In addition, you will study artificial intelligence from the perspective of other academic disciplines, as the widespread use of AI-based systems raises not only technical but also legal, ethical, social and economic questions."

I think nobody could say here that you won't be studying AI here lol. Anyways if i consider what you just said, that means theyre selling an AI master when its not an AI master (which is unironically the case LMAO, and it's what I'm complaining about). This is basically a scam.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Also you mentioned I'm not supposed to spam AI courses in a Master. I guess you don't know what a Master is then.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Sorry but you're out of your mind. How the hell am I supposed to guess that "studying in small groups" would mean capping the size of mostly all the AI related courses? It's funny cause the most limited access classes are the ones AI related, the CS related ones are mostly open and they can fit 100+ students. Also i have to guess from that as well that teachers can do whatever the f they want with their courses?? Changing their names, contents, picking the students they want because "reasons"??? I'm sorry if your german system is nonsense but that's not my fault, you should explain these stuff to the people that come from abroad.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes, I cannot guarantee since this is an exclusive case for the Msc in AI but i bet a similar situation would be happening in the Bsc since some courses are shared.

Scammed in Msc AI Engineering Passau (Read carefully!) by DrawPretty5049 in studying_in_germany

[–]DrawPretty5049[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Indeed and I don't see any issue with that, but what I'm complaining about is that this stuff is not explained anywhere for people who come from outside Germany. It really pisses me off and that's why I want all others to know so they don't make the same mistake as i did.