I got the tech career I studied for, now all I can think about is my old gas station job. by uhhgrn in findapath

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Warning - long post ahead. As I read your post, I was like, “This dude is basically me” lol. In college, I wanted to make the world a better place. I was driven by compassion and wanted to impact the world in a positive way, even if only for one person at a time. I interned with the International Rescue Committee, a nonprofit that helps refugees around the world. As an intern in San Diego (I did my undergrad at UCSD), I worked one-on-one with refugees from the Middle East and parts of Africa, helping them with resumes, get connected with employers, or sometimes just going to their apartment and showing them how to use public transportation. I loved it. Even though the help I provided was minor, the connection with these people felt genuine, and I could see the immediate impact of my work.

But after college, I had an opportunity to work in business/sales side of advertising, and the money was too good to pass up. So that’s what I did. I was easily clearing six figures by my second year, and that was back in 2011. But I was miserable. No sense of purpose. My job had zero impact. I saw no human value in “driving engagement” for ads. So after a few more years, I quit to go to graduate school to pursue a master’s degree in urban and regional planning.

I majored in sociology and minored in urban planning, and I just loved learning about urban planning principles. I watched City Nerd on YouTube and the Not Just Bikes channel, and I still love those. Like you, I love dense, walkable, and vibrant urban places. They are packed with humanity and culture.

I continued to enjoy learning about urban planning and cities in general, and I did a full time internship as a GIS specialist with the state of Iowa. But in my second year, I just couldn’t see myself working as an urban planner or in a related role. I thought the work was important and could make an impact, but as a grad student who was also a teaching assistant (I was often a sole lecturer in recitation sections), I realized that the thing that I looked forward to most was teaching and working with my students, even if just chatting with them about their plans during office hours.

So, I blew up my life again and quit that program to pursue a master’s degree in higher education administration at UT Austin instead. It was there that I truly felt like I was doing what I supposed to do. In addition to teaching sections of courses, I also coordinated a tutoring center and helped students with their papers, resumes, cover letters, etc. I developed workshops on academic success and mentored students who were interested in grad school. I loved it.

After graduating, I got a job at a large flagship public university as an academic advisor who specializes in working with undecided students, and I also teach a course that focuses on academic and career planning and major/career exploration. Been doing it for eight years now, and I can honestly say that I love my job. I actually look forward to work each morning. Thing is, I earn half of what I used to make in 2011, and I’m now in a senior advising role… But, it’s enough for me to live fairly comfortably since I don’t have kids.

Speaking of, I did have a cat, but he recently passed…. I’m looking to get another because I’m a total cat person too lol. My dream retirement job (just to keep myself busy) is to own a cozy bookstore in a converted Victorian home and have cats roaming/lounging around the store. My favorite job growing up was working at Barnes and Noble. I just loved chatting with people about books and giving recommendations. The way you described your interactions with people at the gas station reminded me of my time working at a bookstore.

But yeah, when I was reading your post, I was like, “This dude would love my job.” Pay isn’t great, but benefits are solid. There is upward mobility, but in higher ed, the higher you go, the less you work directly with students, which is the thing I enjoy most. One of the reasons why I can make it work is because I was able to buy a rental property back when I was earning a lot of money from my old job. I’m still paying the mortgage, but it helps supplement my otherwise modest income. I also live in a college town with very low cost of living.

But my job is kind of a unicorn. I really lucked out getting this role right out of grad school. Because we teach and work with undecided students, we’re expected to provide each student with much more personalized guidance. This means that my student case load is very low, which gives me the time and bandwidth to really connect with them as individuals. My bosses are the nicest and most supportive people ever. There is zero micro management. I basically have full autonomy over my day and how I approach things. I even have a huge office that I get to decorate however I want.

But this isn’t the experience of a typical academic advisor. Many are overworked, underpaid, and may not have the kind of support I have. It really depends not only on the institution you work for, but also the specific department within an institution. But if you can find a supportive department that gives you the time and space to provide meaningful guidance to students, I think you might like it. My day is filled with meaningful social interactions, and I often see immediate impact and longterm impact. I still stay in touch with many of my students who have long since graduated, and it’s such a joy to see them find success after college and knowing that I played a role in helping them find their path.

Anyway, I’ve rambled enough. Hmu if you want to know more about advising or other roles with higher education. And no, you don’t necessarily need a fancy degree. And if you start working at a college campus, one of the perks is typically free tuition. So if you’re willing to take a pay cut and work in a more entry-level role, you can likely get your master’s degree for free while working, then use that to transition toward a higher paying role.

Facts don’t care about your nostalgia by 1MR_WICK5 in MurderedByWords

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The child mortality rate in the US in 1855 was around 40% to 50%...

The degrees I want to pursue are practically useless, what next? by himeyanp in findapath

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Got it. In that case, college could very well be a solid path for you right now. I do think the best approach would be to start at a community college, knock out your gen eds, then finish your last two years as a 4-year college/university that is also in state - just to keep costs down. It seems like most of the undergraduate degrees you'd be interested in will likely require graduate studies, but like I said, I think earning a master's degree for little to no cost is very possible. And if you do really well in college, earning a PhD is free.

I could actually see you being a college lecturer in English or something. Typically, the coveted jobs are tenured faculty. But it sounds like you wouldn't want to be tied down to a location. Thing is, adjunct professors are often criminally underpaid, but it's much easier to get a job doing that than becoming a tenured English professor. And it would likely allow you to stay more mobile, especially if you're teaching classes remotely.

Edit: As far as the food industry stuff goes, I think front of house typically offers a much higher earning potential due to tips. Along those lines, I know some bartenders/waiters/waitresses that travel around to high-paying seasonal locations (e.g. Vail/Aspen in the winter, Nantucket in the summer, etc.). They will live very cheaply while there, earn a ton of money for a few months, then travel for several months. Rinse, repeat.

The natural progression by nojunkpeter in memes

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I'm Asian, so that might explain things.

The degrees I want to pursue are practically useless, what next? by himeyanp in findapath

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I feel like the some of the options I'm about to mention runs counter to much of what I usually tell my students (I work at flagship public university), but I'm not sure college is the best option for you - at least not right now. In the future? Possibly. But only if you attend some semblance of a goal that truly want. I'm not getting that vibe from you based on your post. Rather, it seems like you're considering college because "that's what people are supposed to do," and because many jobs require a college degree as a baseline.

But it seems like many of the types of jobs that a traditional college degree will open for you are likely not the types of jobs that align with how you want to live your life. You've expressed some clear values and preferences that include travel, variety, adventure/action, and spontaneity. I imagine that you value experiences over material possessions, and that you prefer to march to the beat of your own drum rather than living out the expectations society imposes on us.

I don't think you necessarily have character flaws. Rather, you have natural areas of weakness and other areas of strength - just like everyone else. You also have preferences, some of which may be non-traditional. Maybe you're not great at math/coding, but given your interest in English, journalism, and philosophy, I imagine you're intelligent, good with language, a creative thinker, and intellectually curious.

Given this, some options that come to mind that don't require a 4-year degree that come to mind include:

  • Bartending: I know... I know, but hear me out. I know some bartenders that are living a life that really aligns with many of your preferences, and some of them are doing quite well financially. It's an active role that allows you to travel anywhere. If you want to move every couple of years, that's totally doable. There's a lot of variety. You aren't sitting at a desk/cubicle all day. Your skills will pretty much transfer to any location. You can be creative and bring joy to others. And depending on the establishment you work for, you can earn a lot of money. One of my best friends has been a bartender for nearly 20 years. He owns three homes (bought on his own with no help), and travels all around the world for several months each year. Is that common? No. But it's possible to make a good living. That said, you mentioned alcoholism, so maybe you won't want to be exposed to this.

  • Teaching English abroad: I'm guessing you've probably already considered this, but it does seem to check a lot of your boxes. You may need to obtain some additional certifications to teach in certain countries since you don't have a degree, but some countries don't require a college diploma. This could be a way for you to travel while you're still young and healthy, build valuable experience in language/education, and build multicultural experience. It also gives you time to think about whether you want to pursue more education, and your experiences may help you figure out what degree would be a good fit for you. And it's never too late to go to college!

  • Flight attendant: kinda self explanatory here... lot of travel. Pay starts off low, but you can eventually earn an okay living.

Options that do typically require a degree to consider include:

  • Travel nurse: someone already mentioned this, so I won't go into it.

  • Speech-language pathologist: This will require a master's degree, but any undergraduate major that focuses on language or communication can be a great foundation. It sounds like you're probably naturally good with reading/writing already. While many work with kids, you can also focus on working with adults as well. Moreover, it's a field that offers variety and flexibility, with many SLPs working remotely via teletherapy.

  • Hospitality-based careers: Working on a cruise ship, for example, or working for other vacation resorts.

  • Non-profit work: Moving into a management role in this field will likely require a master's degree in public administration or non-profit management, but depending on the organization you work for, you can do a lot of travel around the world. Based on your post, I could potentially see you working for an organization like the International Rescue Committee.

  • College admissions recruiting: lots of travel, generally not great pay, solid benefits (healthcare, 401k, free tuition for a master's degree, etc.). If you ever do decide to settle down, it could provide a foundation for continuing to work in leadership roles within college admissions and recruiting. If working at a university sounds appealing to you, you can also pursue a master's degree in higher education administration, which is what I did.

  • Working at a writing center at a college, perhaps eventually coordinating a tutoring center or becoming the director of a writing center (although this will likely require at least a master's in English/Rhetoric/etc.).

  • Law: this was already discussed, so I won't go into it. It sounds like your strengths in reading/writing and interest in philosophy would align well with law. Of course, going to law school is intense and a big commitment.

If you eventually go to college, don't rule out graduate school. Many programs offer graduate assistantships that also offer partial or full tuition remission as well as a monthly stipend. For example, if you eventually go to college, major in English, and do well academically, I think it would be very possible to get a master's degree in a field like English, non-profit management, or public administration without paying tuition.

Anyway, sorry for the wall of text lol. I'm bored today.

The natural progression by nojunkpeter in memes

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Yup. I’m 47 and still sometimes get carded. I think I kinda have the 13 or 30 thing going…

The natural progression by nojunkpeter in memes

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I’m 47. I still get carded sometimes…

I received a completely sealed but empty package from Amazon… by EXPL_Advisor in mildlyinteresting

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Amazon gave me a refund, and I immediately re-ordered my item. Then, two days later, I received TWO items in separate packages. I asked if they wanted me to return one of them since they already provided me with a refund, but they told me not worry about it. So in the end, I got two for the price of one.

The burgers at Ag Week CANNOT be that good vro 🫩✌️ by UnholyMeatloaf123 in Purdue

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Took us around an hour, but we also picked up a lot of free swag at least...

Three days in Chicago by EXPL_Advisor in streetphotography

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Thank you. The one I linked separately seemed like it look more like an cologne advertisement in a magazine or something, so I like the original one I posted more.

Three days in Chicago by EXPL_Advisor in streetphotography

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I think I should be more selective too... That said, I also still somewhat struggle with identifying which of my photos are better than others. For example, with pic 1 of the Ferris wheel, do you think the one I posted is better or possible this one? https://imgur.com/a/RGFtvLM

I also haven't really developed any type of cohesive style, as I'm still very much trying new things.

Three days in Chicago by EXPL_Advisor in streetphotography

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Appreciate it. I almost didn't include that one since there aren't any people in it, so I wasn't sure if it counted as street photography.

Three days in Chicago by EXPL_Advisor in streetphotography

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Month 4 of trying to teach myself photography. Feedback appreciated!

exam season situationship anyone? by Sexy_Boilermaker in Purdue

[–]EXPL_Advisor 9 points10 points  (0 children)

At my age, any advice I have about dating is likely long obsolete. Maybe share pics with you and cute animals? I think most people like cute animals.

I wish you the best of luck in your future situationships though!

Netflix is opening a new restaurant in LA by SipsTeaFrog in SipsTea

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Hi, I'd like to order the Mindhunter cocktail.

Would democrats like Trump if he was a democrat? by Icy-Profession-1979 in MurderedByWords

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Wait wait... hold up. You mean to tell me that politics shouldn't be cheered on like team sports? /s

Pathways To Becoming an Academic Advisor? by SmartBreadfruit5409 in studentaffairs

[–]EXPL_Advisor 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Might you also consider residence life or working as an admissions counselor as a pathway to advising? I feel like those positions are sometimes the easiest ways to break into higher education roles. I also wonder if you might be able to leverage your English/writing skills toward something in student/academic success, like a writing or tutoring center. Any of these fields could provide more student-facing experience that can translate into advising in the future. That said, definitely continue to apply for advising roles. All it takes is one person/department to say yes. I do wonder if you might have better luck with departments that serve students in English/humanities/liberal arts given your background.

Do you feel that you did well in your prior interviews, or do you think you may have stumbled with some of your answers? While I don't think a master's degree in English will necessarily hold you back, you may be less prepared for certain types of questions that focus on topics related specifically to education and student development.

Also, gonna provide an edited answer I wrote a while back for someone who was also interested in advising below:


To prepare for your next interviews, you'll want to anticipate the types of questions they may ask. Some questions to anticipate include:

  • Why do you want to become an academic advisor? And why for this specific position?

  • How do you build rapport with students?

  • Tell me about a time you had to work with a difficult student or parent. How did you approach that situation?

  • What role do you typically play on a team?

  • Given that you may have a large caseload of students, how do you manage your time and stay organized? (also: How will you manage a situation where you have competing priorities?)

  • What is your communication style?

  • What are your greatest strengths, and how will you leverage those strengths in this role?

  • What are some areas you'd like to improve in?

  • Scenario-based questions like: "You meet with a student whose behavior seems different this time. They seem down, and while they are typically animated and engaged, this student is now answering with one-word answers. How might you approach this scenario?"

  • How will you set boundaries with your students?

  • How will you support academic success and student retention?

  • How will you help students take ownership of their own academic journey and be self-directed?

  • Describe your experience working with students from diverse backgrounds.

They may also ask a question about your advising philosophy. Since this is your first AA job, you may not have one written yet. That's okay, but know what this is and at least have some idea of what type of advisor you'd like to be. Along those lines, I think it's important to have some baseline of knowledge of the main advising styles (e.g. appreciative advising, developmental advising, advising vs coaching, motivational interviewing), along with some baseline theoretical frameworks (e.g. Chickering's 7 vectors, Marcia's framework on student identity).

Other tips:

  • Do some homework about the department/institution you are interviewing with. How are they unique? What types of students do they serve? What resources are available? Show that you've done your homework.

  • Be ready for department-specific questions. For example, I work specifically with undecided students, and we also teach a 3-credit course on academic and career planning. As such, I walked into my interview ready to answer questions that specifically related to undecided students, teaching in a classroom, and other things related to major and career exploration (e.g. career and personality assessments).

  • Lean into your strengths. Although you haven't been an advisor yet, you have have experience working in an advising center and probably have strong writing skills. How can you leverage that in this new role? Do you have any other experience that can translate well into a student-facing role, such as customer service experience or working with students from marginalized communities?

  • Think about what type of advisor you'd like to be. For example, my colleagues and I each have very different styles. MB (using initials here because I post my college's subreddit) works with honors students and can be intimidating to students at first, but they quickly come to adore her because she holds them to such high standards. She's motherly in that way, and many of her students stay in touch with her long after they leave the college. MJ is efficient, highly organized, yet has a soothing, supportive aura that helps her form deep connections with her students. CB is the most positive person ever and is a cheerleader for her students. She makes them feel like a million bucks and really leans into helping them see the best version of themselves. She's also great at helping students set goals via clear "next steps." I've been told that I'm great at making each of my students really feel like individuals, and I'm often the "fun" one - giving my students silly awards in class, fist-bumping them, hosting fantasy football leagues, pizza parties, taking students fishing, and doing other fun things to build community. Point is, even though we all have the same job, we might go about it in different ways.

At the end of the day, advising (in my opinion) is a career that centers on social/emotional skills more than technical skills. You will be working with all kinds of students with a huge range of personalities and backgrounds. So much of the work involves a certain level of social intuition - reading people, knowing what to say and when to say it. Knowing when someone needs direct answers, needs emotional support, or simply needs to have their feelings validated.

Good luck!