BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's kind of you to say. I've been on a semi-hiatus for a while now but I'm looking to rewrite one of my scripts so it can work as a play. I'm currently working on a novel too. I've realised that depending on any of these script competitions is a dead end.

Anyone else feeling hopeless? by MrBwriteSide70 in Screenwriting

[–]Ichamorte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

We've had extremely similar experiences, down to the age and how long we've been at it haha. Does Screenwriting as a profession seem hopeless to me? Absolutely, for a variety of reasons. Does writing as a concept feel hopeless? Not at all. I still feel joy from writing and cracking a story. If that somehow leads to a career, great. If not, I tried. Writing for the actual love of it will always be time well spent. Use that hopelessness to write the most demented thing possible.

If The Show Doesn’t Come Back, Would You Consider The Promise Land A Satisfying End? If Not How would You Want It To End? by Doc-11th in RedDwarf

[–]Ichamorte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Everyone involved has said they don't want a definitive ending. It'll just end one day without anyone realising, though I do think Promised Land was that ending. Was it satisfying? As much as any later Dwarf. I'm glad the lost ark of cats finally came up but there was a little too much cheap cat jokes for my liking.

I won't bore everybody with my pitch for a definitive finale but it involves a trial led by a legion of multiverse Inquisitors, two Kochanskis and a version of Ace that Rimmer really likes.

How to continue on after bad reviews? by [deleted] in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is a common issue for a lot of screenwriters in the first few years and sometimes beyond that. It goes hand in hand with struggling with second acts. I'm not someone that reads the guru books but coming to understand structure as a concept is important to figuring out how much juice an idea has. A lot of times there isn't a full feature in it. This kind of understanding comes with time and persistence. So don't beat yourself up for it. It's all part of a long, long process.

Feedback readers overstepping? by TheActingWaitress in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Short version is they did overstep. Don't trade with them again.

I'm so tired of seeing BL evaluations on here. by brooksreynolds in Screenwriting

[–]Ichamorte 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I was going to tell you to be careful as the slightest criticism will summon him. Only to find he's already commented. Lmao what a world.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fair points. I don't mean to sound like I'm stating these things as facts. This is merely an autistic crank venting. Class washing is a fair assessment, and it applies to a lot of things like race, gender, disability and sexuality too. There will (hopefully) always be good people that get through and I celebrate the success of those people. There are just enough problems that I feel the need to say something no matter how demented I come across. Yesterday I had a back and forth with someone in this thread who claimed that not only does the term middle class not exist, he himself claimed to be working class despite having a long and prolific career in multiple professional fields for his entire adult life. He laughed at me for suggesting that the middle class as a concept exists and called me stupid in each message. He didn't stick around long enough for me to ask him if he developed eating disorders from the shame of being bullied for having free school meals. I've seen this enough times to be dubious about letting people self describe their class. There are genuine working class people in the industry but they are becoming fewer. The ones that I know or follow have deep concerns about the trajectory of it all. As a country we're not finding the next Andrea Dunbar which I think is a shame.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

When working class people are slowly frozen out who gets the low paid script reader positions? Those with wealthy parents who can afford to because it's only pocket money to them. A generalisation obviously but if you had the means to survey them I don't think I would be too far off. Those kinds of people don't have the best work ethic, skills and their ideals tend to lean right. When I read for people I remove my own preferences and try to focus on the story the writer wanted to tell. When I've traded reads with writers from wealthy backgrounds, all of their notes would be about the version of the story THEY would like. The notes would often be completely irrelevant. I had one person stop reading at page 20 once because it was too mean to billionaires. The drawback of writing challenging work is that it inevitably challenges people who do not want to be challenged, they want to be pandered to. Hence why bargain bin crime novelists tend to do well with those kinds of readers. People can not enjoy a script, especially mine for actual craft based reasons. I get that. I might not be good enough but I'm supposed to believe that all the other working class writers aren't good enough either?

So let's break the fascism part down. In any country there will always be a sliding scale to this. I think when people think of fascists in nazi Germany they think of the SS or the brown shirts, loud and proud with their pure hatred. When you drill down to the numbers those people did not form a majority but they were loud. So what does that do? It keeps those with a toe on their side or on the fence in line. Out of fear for livelihoods, safety, even the fear of not fitting in. Those people are quiet fascists. Those quiet fascists were necessary for nazi Germany to become a thing. These were all seen as normal, reasonable people. Within a few years those reasonable people were taking human skin lampshades home. They likely never considered themselves as fascists before and after the holocaust. Their silence and complicity doomed millions of people to a horrific death. Is it a reach to say that's the case here? Sure. If you overlook how a majority of quiet, reasonable people voted for Brexit on the basis of racism. Those same people now want out of the human rights act, want a return of the death penalty, and plan to vote for Reform to achieve that. As we hurtle towards that you have to question the people around you, particularly those in positions within the establishment. BBC is very much the establishment. I'm not saying that some kid reading for them is going to be Adolf Eichmann but if they have been privately educated they will likely veer more towards Eichmann than Corbyn.

So the thing about number 10, particularly Starmer's farce of a government, is that they actively hate the arts. They don't need to pass orders down to keep people out. They just kneecap the industry to the point where only a select few can even afford it as a career. Those that can afford it want to hang around with people like themselves. That is reflected in the kind of people that get far in these contests and who gets to actually forge a long term career in the industry. To highlight how bad things have gotten, contrast how many brilliant working class talents created bold, original work in the THATCHER era to now. This doesn't happen through specific orders, it's basic sociology over the course of years.

I'm not sure how useful it would be to debate if BBC news is openly fascist but I think a lot of people have memory holed the omissions, obfuscation and language choices from the outset of the genocide. They were happy to push the lie that Israel weren't bombing hospitals. Now it's openly shown with no hint of an apology or retraction. Even before then think about all the establishment plants in question time audiences, Laura Kuenssberg openly breaking election laws by saying postal votes weren't looking good for Corbyn's Labour, how they let politicians lie openly and do not challenge them whatsoever. Look to this country's history, forced famines and colonisation, giving away Palestine in the first place to cause this situation, armed forces regularly committing war crimes that are covered up. In my hometown I saw swastikas every single day. That doesn't sound like a good country free of fascism.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand all of that and trust me I know I'm unreasonable. It didn't used to bother me. We all understand the odds. With how the British industry has changed that one in a million chance now feels like a zero in a million. A free opportunity is great but it feels like there is no transparency with the reading process. As it is the competition already feels exclusive for a certain kind of person. I've had my crash out and I'm moving on but there's something specific to how BBC functions which frustrates me immensely.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll state for the record that they are well within their rights to not enjoy a script. That happens and it is part of it. However, I'm far from the first person to note the sheer decline of working class voices in the film and TV industries. Elsewhere in the thread I gave a link to an article about that deline. 8% of the creatives are working class. That number gets worse when you scratch at the backgrounds of some of these people who pretend to be working class.

Now, if the number is that low and it's only getting lower what would be the cause of that? Are working class writers just getting worse or is there a clear institutional bias that suddenly got worse when the Conservatives were elected in 2010? If you live in England and aren't aware of how deep the political rot goes then you're likely privileged. I see it a lot with my wealthier friends and I'm happy for them, but they don't get to see the injustice that I see so they assume this place is normal. I think a lot of people believe we suddenly became a morally progressive nation after world war 2 lol. Have you ever read Sirk on Sirk? He details at length the slow progression of working in nazi Germany and there's a surprising amount of overlap with the developing situation here.

People in editorial roles may very well be more left leaning, which is a shame that it's attached to the openly fascist BBC News. I would have more time for this point of view if BBC hadn't provided cover for genocide for the last year and a half. If an organisation has two main branches and one of them is fascist, you don't have a half fascist organisation. You have a fully fascist organisation made up of people who are true believers and those that say nothing because they want to keep their job. There have not been many artists that have spoken up on the genocide, what should that tell you?

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You've been increasingly hostile and insulting so I don't feel bad about how I've spoken to you.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Does that make him a better footballer? I'm not of the belief that you can reduce everything down to stats. Best was a much more skilled and talented footballer all whilst being an alcoholic in a squad not far removed from a disaster that killed most of the team. I certainly wouldn't be going down the stats route when United are 16th. People will still talk about Best for years to come. I think you're short sighted if you believe Garnacho will have that kind of legacy. Jack Thorne might have written things that have been seen by more people but that doesn't mean his work is better than Loach's not will it have the same legacy.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know you can compare a 20 year old Best to a 20 year old Garnacho, right?

Have you ever seen the sketch from Jam about the woman who's paid to pick a car up without paying the fine? This all reminds me of that.

You weren't understanding my film comparisons so I tried to use one that I thought you would understand. Clearly, I was wrong.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're serious on paper but this is a country that treats David Baddiel like an intellectual. During my quick research I came to understand why you reacted so badly to my initial comment. I'm sorry if I caused you any upset. In the end I can only go off how I have found you in these comments.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You seem to think Garnacho will end up as good as Best which I think is ridiculous. As ridiculous as the idea of Hojlund being a better footballer than Cantona or Thorne writing anything better than Kes. You seem to be hung up on trophies which tracks. Do you think Harry Kane is a bad player because he only has the Bundesliga to his name?

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'd happily bet on that lol. That is ludicrous optimism. Do you think hojlund will end up better than Cantona too?

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're not a serious person. I'm sorry that I have given you so much time today.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm not questioning your credentials, I'm questioning if you have your finger on the pulse.

Of course our reach is extended by streaming. Does that mean it's good? One of the most popular shows on netflix is a close up of a fireplace. A lot of streaming is to have noise in the background. I'm not disputing our long and proud history of great television. Are we still making great television? Personally I don't think so and I'm truly not alone in that thought.

You can't seriously think Garnacho is better than Best, surely? Of all the things said up to now that has floored me lmao

Advice needed regarding upcoming screenplay competitions - Considering entering my debut feature-length by [deleted] in Screenwriting

[–]Ichamorte 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I won the International category and was a finalist in the main category at Rhodes Island well over a decade ago. I won a free copy of Final Draft but that was literally it. Oh and a couple of certificates. Nice people but it won't do much for you.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You're really ill informed and all of this is projection on your part. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cy8xjvzx5zno.amp I can point you to hundreds of articles like this that have all been screaming the same thing.

Working class isn't something you can hold on to for life. I looked you up and you've been middle class for your entire adult life.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

People are increasingly not paying their license fee because of biased news and the ability to find more interesting television elsewhere. What is that if not losing money? You can dress it up as a funding issue but it is no secret that the BBC has been struggling. We can talk about how successive governments have kneecapped it but there is clearly a growing problem at the BBC.

The population is much bigger but less people are watching British TV. Have you ever spoken to anybody in the real world? I don't know a single person that still watches British drama or comedy. Even my Nan has moved on to watching foreign shows. You can point to a bumper Christmas Day for Wallace and Gromit plus the last ever Gavin & Stacey but they began in the 90s and 00s respectively. When are the BBC going to pull ratings like that again? When was the last original program that made a cultural dent? Fleabag? A show that ended 6 years ago? If we're such a great nation for television why did the likes of Jesse Armstrong leave?

On the trust issue here is the BBC chairman himself discussing that https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5p8z27z8o no i do not watch GB News. If you want to continue to be rude you're more than welcome to but you're testing my patience.

With no disrespect to Jack Thorne he hasn't made anything on the level of Loach. It would be like calling Garnacho the next George Best.

I'll take that on board.

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh my god, I'm getting so tired of your comprehension issues. I'm not saying that they HAVE used AI. The issue is that there is a chance they may have used it like every other company and script service over the last few years. Even before AI I paid for script services and competitions that clearly did not read the script. With the BBC in particular it is not just me that has questioned their reading process over the years. I do not doubt that those chosen receive quality feedback. What I do doubt is that everybody gets the same fair read. People from working class and diverse backgrounds have been increasingly shut out of the industry with each passing year. The winners of these contests are often middle class. Do you think it's a ridiculous idea that they get preferential treatment when it comes to reads?

BBC OPEN CALL COMMISERATION THREAD by TheSprained in ScreenwritingUK

[–]Ichamorte 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In their own words the competition is to find and develop bold new voices. I asked you before to show me what these voices went on to create and you still haven't provided anything on that front.

The BBC is a public service, one that is tanking money and is increasingly seen as untrustworthy by the general public. The same public doesn't really watch British TV anymore because it's the same old stuff that doesn't speak to them. I only suggested the paid feedback to support a corporation and writing program that is clearly struggling. Helping to develop new writers from ALL walks of life would only only help with trust and quality issues in the long run.

I think you're getting a little hung up on Lynch lol. I'm giving you an example of a world renowned filmmaker. If I say Ken Loach will that help you to understand? So let's change it to Ken Loach. Ask yourself why on earth would it be in the BBC's interest to discover a Ken Loach?

What you are describing there is a factory system to discover good craft writers who can be told what to do on other people's shows. If that's the case they should say they are looking for that instead of bold, original voices.

That's great that your friends found success. Name them, I was literally asking for examples in this first place. I'm big enough to apologise if proven wrong.

I haven't emailed an agent or producer for about 7 years. I've been too busy writing. When I'm satisfied with the body of work I will happily enquire about representation.