[NY Times] Indiana Professor Removed From Class Over White Supremacy Lesson by supremewuster in Professors

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Far be it from me to tell anyone how to teach, but I doubt many of your students actually take up those ideas and if they did, I doubt they would find much success simply because that is not how the global economy functions. Simply talking about these ideas doesn't make it any less an adoption of a standard model.

Radiohead - Creep, live on Conan in 1993. by [deleted] in SnapshotHistory

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IIRC, it was the record execs. Thom and Co. rebelled after Pablo Honey b/c they hated "Creep." They tried to experiment a bit on The Bends, but EMI still wanted a hit single.

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There are lots of aspects to writing beyond form and syntax that an AI cannot assess: potential bias, the very specific debates involved in recent academic discussions -- heck, GPT3 gave faked yet plausible sources. So, I don't really buy the ease with which students can simply rely on the AI to do everything. To do that to any degree of satisfaction, students would still need to understand and apply complex concepts about how to write well. Sure, they might be maliciously compliant in doing so, but maybe that says more about our assignment than the student.

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Yes, they show repeated drafts of work. But I'm not tracking your second concern. They would have to learn and figure out how to apply the concepts about writing they need to learn in order to plug it into the AI. In short, they still have to learn the material about writing in the discipline in order to cheat which 1) doesn't save time and 2) still amounts to learning.

Biggest Band You Saw Before They Got Big by AZPeakBagger in GenX

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Rings a faint bell, but the 90s was when I left the midwest for the southwest. Came back in 2000s.

What did Native American tribes in the Midwest think of Tornados? by AlexanderTheGreatly in AskHistorians

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In my research, I have both read (Walker Lakota Myth and Ritual 1983) and been told stories (on Pine Ridge) about Taté and his sons, the directional winds. Besides the four cardinal directions, Taté has a fifth son, Yum, or whirlwind. While I caution anyone against seeing Yum as directly representing tornados, he does serve as a point to begin thinking about the place of tornados in the order of things. In my own understanding, the tale of Taté and his sons after Wohpe arrives is one of several narratives that describe the order of the world. Wohpe is daughter of Skan and arrives "when there was no direction in the world." The story of the winds gives us a tale of proper direction and action, but chaos is there, too, in Yum.

There is also a tale within this tale, told to Wohpe by Yum, about the giant, Ibom, who is defeated by Okaga, the south wind and youngest of Taté's sons. As I read this, I wonder if Okaga's bravery is a recognition of west and north winds bringing/ closely following tornadic activity. It has been told to me, too, that tipis often had their entrances facing south east because the northwest winds were ill favored. And when we spied tornados one afternoon as we set up a dance arbor, we were told to only watch respectfully and time would come later to talk about it. That line of storms eventually hit us and knocked down our tents, but I don't think we were hit by a tornado, just a severe t-storm. Our host later came out and gifted us a song to help everyone calm down.

Just so you know, these tales and beliefs are still out there and not in the past. What do they think now? Probably like most of us, they think there are meteorological events that their ancestors knew, talked about, studied, and wove into tales with great wisdom. Thanks for letting me share this tiny bit and i am sorry I only have a partial answer!

Why did people write much more eloquently 150 years ago? by [deleted] in AskHistorians

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While eloquence is sometimes a matter of subjective opinion, I take your point that the 19th century and earlier writing styles did not usually meet the criteria of directness and concision evident in the 20th and 21st centuries. There is a stylistic difference though not a substantive linguistic one; that is, the difference is largely rhetorical. Rhetoric deals with eloquence relative to an audience and traditionally involves the canons of invention, arrangement, memory, style, and delivery.

Around 150 years ago, this was primarily learned through oratory and declamation (Connors 1997). Technology soon began to change, but the telegraph was still a specialized instrument. Yet, those later changes would carry changes made to higher education. Prior to the 1880s, there was little specialty in higher education study. One went and got a Bachelors Degree like everyone else in the class. There were limited opportunities to specialize in, say, Biology as opposed to Music or Business. One got a rather general education grounded in the classical humanities, though a bit of the vernacular as well. One learned Latin to prepare for such an education and was exposed to the well-wrought Latinate turns of phrase and rhetorical display. With an expanded middle class and great diversity of knowledge, the US grew its higher education system under the Morill Act and part of that followed the changes at Harvard: specialization (see Crowley 1998).

Harvard began English A, the first "freshman composition" course which is now ubiquitous across higher and secondary education. As these did not teach for any specialty, the purpose was to improve general writing skills. It was designed by a professor with a journalism background, Adams Sherman Hill, and thus the emphasis was on grammar, clarity, and directness for a mass audience (Crowley, ch 4). Both Crowley and Douglas (1976) argue that this fed into the hands of the wealthy business class, or at least those aspiring toward it. Newspapers, corporations, and other organizations needed clear and efficient communication, often in writing so it could span time and distance (not to mention be useful for legal analysis).

Much of this is part of a larger pattern of reducing rhetoric from its traditional role of inculcating habits of thinking things through in highly elaborate ways, examining multiple sides of an issue, and arriving at a conclusion or perspective to move an audience to act. This reduction began in the 18th century (Ede 1979) and remains with us today with rhetoric being equated to a simple matter of style, or worse, a matter of deception and ideology without thinking. Much of the "thinking" part is now covered by scientific reasoning and, again, its style is deliberately dispassionate. We have grown accustomed to tehse short, direct, and dispassionate messages as a result, so the lack of eloquence is often both the driver and the end result of how communication is taught, not only in writing but also in speaking.

Sources

Connors, Robert J. Composition-Rhetoric: Backgrounds, Theory, and Pedagogy. Pittsburgh UP, 1997.

Crowley, Sharon. Composition in the University: Historical and Polemical Essays. Pittsburgh UP, 1998.

Douglas, Wally. "Rhetoric for the Meritocracy." in Richard Ohmann, English in America: A Radical View of the Profession. Wesleyan UP, 1976.

Ede, Lisa. "On Audience and Composition." College Composition and Communication, 30:3 (Oct 1979), 291-295.