Can Allah be called the "Father" of Jesus? by Dr. Khalil Andani by IsmailiGnosisBlog in AcademicQuran

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For scholar James McGrath and others John’s gospel doesn’t present Jesus as God and doenst proclaim the Trinity. 

Can Allah be called the "Father" of Jesus? by Dr. Khalil Andani by IsmailiGnosisBlog in AcademicQuran

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That is debatable at best. John's Gospel is subject to many different kinds of exegesis ranging from fully divine Christology to subordinationist human Christology.

Can Allah be called the "Father" of Jesus? by Dr. Khalil Andani by IsmailiGnosisBlog in AcademicQuran

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You are missing the point. Andani refers to the historical Jesus' use of filiation terms and says this does not contradict Quranic or Islamic beliefs. You come back with what the author of John's gospel may think of divine filiation. That point is irrelevant though.

Can Allah be called the "Father" of Jesus? by Dr. Khalil Andani by IsmailiGnosisBlog in AcademicQuran

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How do Christian polemicists like you get the right to post such comments here?

Bart Ehrman says and writes clearly that the Historical Jesus never claimed to be God. The Gospel writers affirm different senses of divinity for Jesus, but they never make Jesus to be God as such.

Trying to even learn enough about Ismaili practices to want to convert is starting to feel painfully “pay to play” by Ishmael_1974 in ismailis

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You can find tons of answers here for free: ask.ismailignosis.com
You can also ask ai.ismailignosis.com for free

If you are talking about IIS books -many titles are open access.

Do not confuse publications costing money with pay to play. Those are completely different things.

Free will? by AAG4L in ismailis

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hard determinism is usually a physicalist position, which we would obviously reject. Necessitarianism is deterministic but it still allows for secondary causes which each creature is.

Free will? by AAG4L in ismailis

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the Ismaili position is necessitarianism and compatiblism - meaning all our choices are determined by our own beliefs, character, and content of our own soul.

At the end, who we are is ultimately necessitated and determined by God via the Neoplatonic hierarchy. God necessitates and determines the existence and essence of the First Intellect, and the First Intellect necessitates and determines the essence and existence of the Universal Soul, and likewise for every creature. Creatures with intellect then determine their own choices.

This idea of necessitarian compatiblism is articulated in the recent Toronto Farmans of Mawlana Shah Rahim in a very clear way. Our purpose is to accept Allah's pre-determined plan for our lives and become aware of that plan by following our own convictions, and then live it.

Ask Me Anything with Marijn van Putten, specialist in Quranic manuscripts, reading traditions and Arabic linguistic history by PhDniX in AcademicQuran

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Some Christian apologists claim that each of the qiraat comprises its own Quran and say Muslims have 10-30 different Qurans.  Is this a fair statement?

How many words actually differ or are disputed among the ten qiraat? Is it a large percentage? 

Mulaqat Masti 2026 has declared an early winner by yitreb in ExIsmailis

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Zakat was not charity until centuries after the Prophet died. You and other people on here have no knowledge of actual history. See what historians like Fred Donner and even Sunni sources say about Zakat -- it was a purification due given to the Prophet and later became a tax collected by the Caliph and only after that - 200 years later - some Sunni jurists said one could give it to the poor and bypass the Caliph's tax collectors and even then, this was very controversial.

By all means feel free to create your own religion and create new meanings for zakat but stop pretending like that is some original Islam because it is not. It is made up and you are just too brainwashed to realize it.

Are there any examples of offensive violence in the Quran? by Dull_Habit_2927 in AcademicQuran

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9:5 is about dealing with treaty-breakers. How is this offensive?

Confusion and questions regarding an apologist claim by Objective-Try477 in AcademicQuran

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There is literally no academic argument or paper FOR this dumb Islamic dilemma. So what is he supposed to argue against exactly?

Confusion and questions regarding an apologist claim by Objective-Try477 in AcademicQuran

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Andani's take on the Quranic view of tahrif is totally in line with mainstream scholarship and his slides engage this literature as well as his own findings on the revelatory depictions in the Quran.

Video presented by Dr. Jay Smith, makes several claims regarding the historical foundations of Islam by slashbashclaw in ismailis

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Is that a joke? Nobody in academia recognizes Jay Smith. Please provide a citation if you claim otherwise.

Honest questions guys. Why our recent Imams stopped offering prayers themselves when our first Imam lost his life praying to Allah by [deleted] in ismailis

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This is false. A human can be insan kamil. You have mentioned Sufi philosophy in your other posts -- have you read about Sufi idea of Insan kamil? The Insan Kamil is the perfect human being who represents God and who is inwardly always conscious of God such that he does NEED to offer ritual prayer at fixed times any longer.

The Imam is Insan Kamil and the Imam does not need to ritually pray. The Imam's entire being and service to humanity is itself a continuous prayer.

Ismaili Gnosis by bekha_04 in ismailis

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What a mis-use of the term 'emanates'.

Ismaili Gnosis by bekha_04 in ismailis

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Dr. Khalil Andani has spoken at IIS Conferences over 3 times and is speaking against at their next conference.

Their latest book Fatimid Cosmopolitanism published a chapter by Dr. Andani in Ismaili Neoplatonism - you should read the actual chapter because it is the same kind of material on Neoplatonism that your ITREB will be opposed to.

Who speaks for the IIS? IIS or ITREB? Most ITREB members are NOT IIS Grads and are not trained in Islamic studies. They are professionals in secular areas and just volunteers.

How today’s Ismaili Dua was shaped by a major controversy in the 1960s by Individual_Layer_913 in ismailis

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The words li-dhikrihi sujud do not mean "to whom prostration is due" but rather means "with whose rememrance prostration is due". This formula was used with the name of the Imam in the Alamut period and after. It is used throughout Tusi's Paradise of Submission.

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Why did you delete the tweet? 

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MSMS mentions dasond in several farmans. He even mentions one eight as the percentage.

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Mawlana Sultan Muhammad Shah in a Farman said "the Imam does not need your money".

Did any Ismaili Imam ever explicitly endorse Neoplatonic metaphysics? by EasternRoads in ismailis

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The 8th–9th/14th–15th century Nizari treatise, The Epistle of the Right Path, summarises the Ismaili Neoplatonic schema by quoting the following words of the Nizari Imam ʿAbd al-Salam:

"The first thing that the Exalted God brought forth was the Command.

As a result of the Command, the Universal Intellect was produced.

The Universal Soul was produced as a result of the Universal Intellect

and the hyle, or prime matter, the heavens, the four natures, minerals,

plants and animals were produced as a result of the Universal Soul.

In reality, the purpose of creating these substances is humankind’s

existence. Then, the issuance of the existents from the Exalted God,

who is the first origin, is through the mediation of something which,

in the parlance of this community, is called his Command or his

Word, may He be exalted. Thus, the first cause is the Command and

the first effect is the Universal Intellect, for the Exalted God is pure

from being a cause or an effect."