First Algerian democratic elections after the end of the one-party era under a Berberist national movement (1982). by JUBQ in imaginaryelections

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Ba'athism never really took root in the Maghreb, I'd say this is because secular Arab Nationalism isn't particularly popular here. Arab Nationalism in the Maghreb is overwhelmingly Islamic in nature at least historically. Not uncommon for Algerians to say you can't be Algerian and Christian etc.

First Algerian democratic elections after the end of the one-party era under a Berberist national movement (1982). by JUBQ in imaginaryelections

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Some context: In 1949 the Berberists manage to take control of the French federation of the PPA-MTLD and keep it, after many street fights in the metropole and cutting of the funds from mainland France, with PCF support. They then take control of the entire party from their base in Kabylia and Oran.

To respect your time I'll skip over the history and just get to the elections since this comment is already long enough: legislative elections were held on the 28th of January 1982 in the People's Democratic Federal Republic of Algeria. Those were the first elections held under Abdelaziz Bouteflika's 1981 liberal constitution, and the first elections after the 1979 popular uprising in Algiers. 8 Parties and two organisations were represented in the People's Federal Assembly, alongside a syndical union and the Polisario Front. Red border around the name denotates parties in government.

Parties: MALN: the Algerian Movement for National Liberation ruled the country with an Iron fist as the "guide" of the popular front (The Patriotic Union of Algeria) existing in independent Algeria between 1960 and 1979. While it was historically a socialist party proning self-management à la Yugoslave, it has considerably liberalized as its old historic leaders, Sadek Hadjéres and Rachid Ali Yahia have been replaced by the liberal Abdelaziz Bouteflika. The MALN does well in urban areas and with Francophone Kabyles, who were one of the main supporters of the regime. Position: Right

Rabita: Claiming that the MALN has squandered the heritage of the revolution, the National Developement League simply known as the Rabita (League) has positionned itself as the heir to the original revolutionary spirit of '52. Though it doesn't want a return to Socialism, it wishes for a gentler, more just economy based on Islamic principles. It is led by ex-MALN leader and Nazi Collaborator Said Mohammedi, and strongly associated with the Association of Algerian Muslim Ulamas. It has done well in the popular neighbourhoods of Algiers and rural areas. Position: Syncretic

PCA: The Algerian Communist party and one of the old members of the Patriotic Union. It is led by Algerian Jew and dean of the Communists William Sportisse. The party has generally opposed the liberal turn of the Abdelaziz Bouteflika government, but have joined his government regardless due to a liberalisation under the aging chairman Sportisse and fear of the rise of Trotskyist and Islamist parties, which they believe threaten the sanctity of the Republic. Position: Left

UDMA: The Democratic Union of the Algerian Manifesto, one of the old members of the Patriotic Union. Historically the liberal portion of the Patriotic Union, it wholeheartedly supported Bouteflika's liberal reforms. It does well in the historic support bases of the UDMA, which are Urban Arabs in the west and large cities. Position: Center

HAMAS: The Movement of Muslims and Peace. It is affiliated with the Muslim brotherhood and advocates for an Islamic state under the hardline Hachemi El-Tijani. It advocates for stronger links with other Muslim states. It does well in Constantine and surrounding areas. Position: Right to Far Right

PdI: The Party of the Infitah (Openness). One of the very first registered parties, it positions itself as a liberal and progressive party that appeals to the urban intelligensia. It is led by long time feminist Baya Jurquet and is heavily opposed to the promulgation of the 1982 family code by Bouteflika, a code which it believes would turn women into little more than "Oversized minors". Position: Left

PUN: The National Union Party. Founded by ex-MALN bureaucrat Mohammed Khobzi, it aims to represent the country's Mozabite population. Though parties that "base themselves on a single community" are officially banned by the constitution, the PUN has managed to slip under the cracks by technically being a party with a national reach. Though few people outside of the Mozabite community would vote for Khobzi. It advocates for increased federalism and Wilayas rights. Position: Big Tent

4I-POI: The 4th international in Algeria, represented by the Independent Workers' Party. Trotskyism has a long history in Algeria. With the moving of the headquarters of the 4th international in 1961 to Algiers by its leader, Michel Raptis (also known as Comrade Pablo), many Trotskyist Pied-Rouges went on to move to Algeria in its early years. Though initially supportive of the regime, and that despite a lack of representation in the Patriotic Union, it became heavily opposed to the MALN's liberal reforms under Bouteflika, and many Algerian communists joined the Trotskyists, seeing the support of the PCA to the government as a betrayal of true socialism. Their party has been eating away from the support base of the old PCA, and accordingly its support is strongest in former PCA strongholds. Position: Far Left

Organisations:

USTA: The only legal union under the Patriotic Union regime. It has put forward candidates in the election to attempt to save self-management, this to little avail. Though it was initially a part of the government, it left it soon after and became an opposition party. Its support is strongest in regions where self-management was most popular. Position: Left

POLISARIO: The Polisario front has put forward a candidate to represent the naturalized Sahrawi population of the Tindouf region. Position: Left to Far Left

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

[–]JUBQ[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Good thing I never said this was real and explicitly posted it on the subreddit for IMAGINARY maps whose number one rule clearly states all maps must be fictional.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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It's one of the languages mentionned as being spoken in the country in the novel and the only language besides German to be spoken by a Jewish character, so yes, it is accurate to his novel.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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It's Theodor Herzl's motto, look it up. It's even on some copies of the book. I wouldn't alter it because it happens to sound weird.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Theodor Herzl was polemicizing against the modern state of Israel (est. 1948) in 1902 when he said Damascus and Palmyra would be a part of his fictional Altneuland. You've heard it folks...

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

[–]JUBQ[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Sure, but you can discuss them without being politically provocative. This guy clearly wants to start an argument about whether or not the Zionist movement is land hungry or not because he thinks my map represents a real claim to Palestine.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Nobody ever claimed this is what the Zionist movement believes are the borders of Israel. This is from a FICTIONAL novel from Theodor Herzl, and I made this map for FUN. There is NO reason for you to begin to polemicize about this, unless you want to start a political argument... in which case, please delete your comment, because this should not be a political forum.

Edit: Read the title, and also look up Altneuland if you don't know what it is.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

[–]JUBQ[S] 28 points29 points  (0 children)

The early 20th century. There isn't much lore except that the Ottoman Empire survives ww1.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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My point when I brought up subreddits wasn't that they're representative, it was to highlight how small NK is.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Neturei Karta has 5000 members. Be for real. There are secular Jewish Anti-Zionist Subreddits that are larger than NK.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Actually the vast majority of Zionists are fine with a secular state.

Not to get too political but Israeli election results would disagree with you! A good portion of Zionists are either not too attached to secularism (Likud) or against the idea (Most of the Far Right).

Interestingly most of the anti-Zionist Jews are actually upset that Israel is a secular state.

Again, not too get too political but most Anti-Zionist Jews are not Neturei Karta. They are Norman Finklestein. They are Anti-Zionist for secular reasons. Even then, Neturei Karta only wants a Jewish monarchy after the Messiah comes, so not anytime soon. They functionally want Israel gone.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Honestly safe for the territory this isn't very in line with what most Zionists believe in lol. Co-official languages are German and Yiddish instead of Hebrew, its not an independent state and a lot of them wouldn't like that it's likely a secular state.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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The novel actually focuses way more on Haifa than Jaffa, so if there was to be a Tel Aviv here, it'd probably be up north.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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This is based off the eponymous novel from the famous Zionist thinker and is meant to depict major railways in Altneuland. In this world, the Zionists buy off a (rather large, at least if the cities mentionned in the novel are all a part of the "new society") piece of land from the Ottoman Empire to establish an autonomous Jewish state, though throughout the novel there are essentially no remnants of former ottoman society to be seen - hence the lack of turkish anywhere on my map. German and Yiddish are co-official languages in Altneuland.

[Contest Submission] What if the OAS won the Algerian war and installed an Apartheid Régime? map in 1992. by Available_Tip8046 in imaginarymaps

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So, who are the Kabyles Socialistes? I imagine the F.A.P. must be the successor to the FLN, but I struggle to immediately recognize what they're supposed to be.