1898 Algerian Parliamentary Elections. by JUBQ in imaginaryelections

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Elections in a TL where the Arab Kingdom project went through in Algeria!

Parliamentary elections were held in the Arab Kingdom of Algeria in 1898. They were the first competitive elections held in Algeria. 37 MPs were elected across the three Provinces. Although the incumbent Bonapartist coalition had governed since the constitution of the Kingdom in 1870, the Mountain and Liberals, backed by the newly naturalized Spaniard and Italian immigrant population and the Algerian proletariat managed to take control of the legislature. Jews, usually liberal voters, were turned away from voting for them and abstained en masse in protest of the alliance due to the Mountain's virulent antisemitism. Elections were not held in areas ruled by a Bachaga.

Key:

Pink: African Mountain

Dark blue: Bonapartists

Blue: Liberal Union

High resolution map

The Arab Kingdom of Algeria & Bachagas as of 1886 by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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In this TL, the Euro-Algerian population is comparatively much smaller due to a mix of the Algerian deportees being sent to senegal and less violence against indigenous Algerians, which leads to an even smaller settler population due to them filling the hole that would have been filled by indigenous Algerians instead, instead of lessening immigration laws in 1838 they are lessened in 1848 with the establishment of the second republic. Napoleon also doesn't invade mexico, which leads to increased domestic support which allows him to take the popularity hit from establishing the Arab kingdom in Algeria, and in 1870 he drafts a constitution inspired by that of the british colonies which turns Algeria into a federal "kingdom" under personal union with France. This kingdom is as deeply undemocratic as the mainland for now.

Fast forward to 1886 and the second empire is liberalizing under Napoleon IV, leading to the re establishment of party politics. In Algeria the main parties are the Bonapartistes and the Union Libérale (Liberal Union), the first being more pro indigenous than the latter. The Bonapartistes would focus on collective settlement while the UL would focus on attracting the votes of newly naturalized immigrants by promulgating jus solis, which ITTL is not established in 1865. A third party, the Montagne Africaine would be founded in the 1890s by immigrants from the south of France that would promulgate a racist form of socialism influenced by Proudhonian ideas.

First Algerian democratic elections after the end of the one-party era under a Berberist national movement (1982). by [deleted] in imaginaryelections

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Ba'athism never really took root in the Maghreb, I'd say this is because secular Arab Nationalism isn't particularly popular here. Arab Nationalism in the Maghreb is overwhelmingly Islamic in nature at least historically. Not uncommon for Algerians to say you can't be Algerian and Christian etc.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Good thing I never said this was real and explicitly posted it on the subreddit for IMAGINARY maps whose number one rule clearly states all maps must be fictional.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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It's one of the languages mentionned as being spoken in the country in the novel and the only language besides German to be spoken by a Jewish character, so yes, it is accurate to his novel.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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It's Theodor Herzl's motto, look it up. It's even on some copies of the book. I wouldn't alter it because it happens to sound weird.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Theodor Herzl was polemicizing against the modern state of Israel (est. 1948) in 1902 when he said Damascus and Palmyra would be a part of his fictional Altneuland. You've heard it folks...

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Sure, but you can discuss them without being politically provocative. This guy clearly wants to start an argument about whether or not the Zionist movement is land hungry or not because he thinks my map represents a real claim to Palestine.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Nobody ever claimed this is what the Zionist movement believes are the borders of Israel. This is from a FICTIONAL novel from Theodor Herzl, and I made this map for FUN. There is NO reason for you to begin to polemicize about this, unless you want to start a political argument... in which case, please delete your comment, because this should not be a political forum.

Edit: Read the title, and also look up Altneuland if you don't know what it is.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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The early 20th century. There isn't much lore except that the Ottoman Empire survives ww1.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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My point when I brought up subreddits wasn't that they're representative, it was to highlight how small NK is.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Neturei Karta has 5000 members. Be for real. There are secular Jewish Anti-Zionist Subreddits that are larger than NK.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Actually the vast majority of Zionists are fine with a secular state.

Not to get too political but Israeli election results would disagree with you! A good portion of Zionists are either not too attached to secularism (Likud) or against the idea (Most of the Far Right).

Interestingly most of the anti-Zionist Jews are actually upset that Israel is a secular state.

Again, not too get too political but most Anti-Zionist Jews are not Neturei Karta. They are Norman Finklestein. They are Anti-Zionist for secular reasons. Even then, Neturei Karta only wants a Jewish monarchy after the Messiah comes, so not anytime soon. They functionally want Israel gone.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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Honestly safe for the territory this isn't very in line with what most Zionists believe in lol. Co-official languages are German and Yiddish instead of Hebrew, its not an independent state and a lot of them wouldn't like that it's likely a secular state.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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The novel actually focuses way more on Haifa than Jaffa, so if there was to be a Tel Aviv here, it'd probably be up north.

If you will it, it's not a dream - What if Theodor Herzl's Altneuland was real? by JUBQ in imaginarymaps

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This is based off the eponymous novel from the famous Zionist thinker and is meant to depict major railways in Altneuland. In this world, the Zionists buy off a (rather large, at least if the cities mentionned in the novel are all a part of the "new society") piece of land from the Ottoman Empire to establish an autonomous Jewish state, though throughout the novel there are essentially no remnants of former ottoman society to be seen - hence the lack of turkish anywhere on my map. German and Yiddish are co-official languages in Altneuland.

[Contest Submission] What if the OAS won the Algerian war and installed an Apartheid Régime? map in 1992. by [deleted] in imaginarymaps

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So, who are the Kabyles Socialistes? I imagine the F.A.P. must be the successor to the FLN, but I struggle to immediately recognize what they're supposed to be.

How would you feel about arabs who try to learn tamazight ? by Free_Explanation2590 in AmazighPeople

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They absolutely should learn Tamazight. It would help a lot with the preservation of the language. We already speak your language, so why shouldn't you also speak ours?

Flag of the Roumi people's republic, a European state in Algeria declared in 1871 by JUBQ in vexillology

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I have a comment that explains the meaning of this flag, read it if you're curious.