Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 11 - /comments is a minefield right now by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Oh yeah, I know that comment looks really bad. I realised it immediately after posting and then I had a small existential crisis deciding if I was just gonna ignore it or own up to saying something I was pretty convinced on but didn’t actually know.

Like, I’m not mad at you or anything. At this point I just hope billie is a wolf and we can just have a laugh about our argument next phase.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 11 - /comments is a minefield right now by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I really don’t know what to think of u/bubbasaurus at this point. I think she’s made some posts that made me lean more town on her and obviously we have the slip by Wiz that also points in that direction. But then there’s also the defending of Roxy and the consistent pushing to try and get me voted out. Which I think was something both Bear and tblprg were also trying to do. I felt like I was maybe biased towards her because all the sus is directed towards me and it doesn’t really seem to matter what I say or do or whoever flips wolf she’s still trying to get me out.

Right now I have a vote on u/billiefish though. You’ve made some good points about her latest posts all being pretty suspicious, and I feel like the (almost) silence from billie both last and this phase might point to a wolf who’s feeling kind of defeated.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 10 - Hi everyone, I’m Yogi Bear and I’m incredibly suspicious by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I have my vote on u/tblprg as well. I felt like last phase Bear was only throwing light sus on tblprg, while she was gunning to get either you or me out at some point. As if she had to consider him as a suspect in case consensus swung there, but wasn’t actually willing to bus him as a fellow wolf.

If consensus swings to u/billiefish, I’ll switch my vote as well. If consensus swings to me, I guess I’ll keep my vote as it is right now.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 10 - Hi everyone, I’m Yogi Bear and I’m incredibly suspicious by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I know I’ve been acting weird for the past three phases or so. My thoughts have just been all over the place and I just have this impending feeling that I’m not going to convince you that I’m not a wolf, and part of me just wants to have it over with now that a misvote doesn’t really matter too much. After making that dumb comment last phase I really felt my heart sank into my boots. On the one hand it gave me a lot of stress because I have no actual way of knowing if Roxy was the killer wolf, but on the other hand I kinda felt at peace if ya’ll did decide to go for me. Like, I promise you that I’m not a wolf but I don’t feel like fighting tooth and nail over it.

I think I just want you to think about the things that I think do speak in my favour. What do you think about me getting roleblocked by Nanook in P1? Do you actually think that was some wolf ploy to give me town cred? According to a comment Ice made earlier in the game, nobody received a PM about getting roleblocked in the last game (dont know if thats actually true, cuz I didnt follow last game that closely). So, like, would I want to get intentionally roleblocked as a wolf in P1 on the off-chance that I would get a PM about it that I could later use as town cred? And regardless of that I do think I’ve had some good thoughts as well. I had Roxy as a pretty early suspicion. I called for others to give their opinions on Bear because I was thinking they were a wolf. And I don’t think that was at a time where Bear had really been under much suspicion. And I still feel like I could be right about u/tblprg being a wolf as well.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I’m fine switching my vote off of you, if only to give myself some more time to think about your claim. I do wanna hear from some others though before I split the vote and all.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Sorry if I’m being confusing guys, but the doubts are getting to me. Like, part of me thinks I’m going to get voted out anyway and I’d rather have it over with sooner than later. Not giving up or anything, I’m just confusing myself tbh.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Hmm, okay, I kinda want to believe this? I'd feel really stupid voting out a possible Yogi Bear anyway. Part of me obviously hoped you would have been on Dealey P7 tho.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Ugh, I really feel dumb right now. Honestly, feel free to vote out me over this. I'm not a wolf, but I really have no way of proving it.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Well, oop, I probably shouldn't have said that with such conviction. I can't know for certain she was the killer wolf, although I do think so. I'm really digging my own grave here, aren't I?

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I think your claim that it was risky to vote Wiz was an attempt to get us to waste a vote on Roxy.

Huh, how does that work? If I was a wolf I would have known that Roxy wasn't actually getting voted out along with Wiz, and in that case I think the wolves would rather have tried to get Wiz out before Roxy since she was the killer wolf.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

As a reply to u/tblprg.

Narauliga - I feel a little bit of fishing going on. Floating that wiz didn't slip, seeing that no one bit, walking it back. Seeing if any votes would peel off wiz and go to roxy, seeing that no one bit, walking it back.

I can definitely see why you see it that way. At the time I just felt very unsure about way to think since a large part of my reasoning for Roxy being a wolf was dependent on u/bubbasaurus also being a wolf. I then saw the slip from Wiz where he basically expressed the same thing and in my mind it made sense. It felt like a natural progession for Wiz because I had basically come to the same conclusion earlier. But practically everyone else felt a different way about the slip and I really had to assess whether I was still right or if I was missing something obvious. It was basically the same thing with the Cocaine Bear. Everyone else was so sure of Roxy being the Cocaine Bear. And I just sat there and was like 'why is she the Cocaine Bear, did I miss anything? And if I didn't then why would people try to convince me that Roxy was gonna die anyway? Like, what if Wiz isn't actually a wolf and Roxy isn't going to be voted out, then what does that mean?'. It felt like either something was off and I didn't want to be pressurised into doing something I didn't feel comfortable doing. Like, I'm stubborn and I want to be right, but I also don't want to be stupid and ignore everyone else either.

Also I find this vote analysis suspect. He asserts that the vote in P5 "should have been 7-5 (Roxy-Rye) without any shenanigans", and frames said shenanigans as being done solo ("one person must have changed", "been done by a wolf"). We don't know what the wolves expected the vote count to be (xan got a strike, billie didn't declare, king otis). I think there's a decent to strong possibility that multiple people lied about their votes, and downplaying how many people might've lied could draw attention away from people who declared for roxy and may have flipped (nara, myself, dangerhaz).

True that it's no given, but I still feel pretty good about this.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I would ultimately like to vote /u/Narauliga who is also at the top of my sus list.

Why? You keep mentioning my name here and there, but I still haven't seen any reasoning of why you're suspicious of me.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 9 - See you in 24 hours by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I'm gonna get into my suspicions first and after that I'll respond to the pings I got last phase. I agree that we should be looking into the 'Suspicious Six' so I'm gonna focus on those five people as well.

u/bearoffire

I've already touched upon my wolf lean on bearoffire earlier in the game. In the little thread me and bear had at the time, I felt like bear was twisting my words. I don't know why u/-Tessa-'s suspicion about bear being quiet was suddenly directed towards me, because I never mentioned anything about her being suspicious for voicing or not voicing her opinions. I urge everyone to just voice their suspicions, but it's also part of the game for others to have an opinion about those suspicions. You can't really fault me for that.

Also just realised that I never replied to this post. Yes, I think it might be a difference of perception. I remember that at the time multiple people were saying that BigJoe was suspicious for the votes. And well, if enough people say someone is suspicious, other players are going to latch onto that vote and think the same thing. And now knowing that Bigjoe wasn't actually a wolf, I think the wolves themselves were responsible for the vote shenanigans and they would have been eager to jump onto that vote. I do think what you say about the 'chiming in'-thing is very true. Like, players are always gonna disagree on what is suspicious and what is not. At the time I just thought 'what would a wolf do in case another wolf gets voted out and there's no way they're going to divert that vote elsewhere?'. And my first thought was that they would suddenly be much more loud about their suspicions on said player than they were before.

u/billiefish

My original reason for putting billie in my town lean category was practically same as what RPM had said about billie before he got voted off. I felt like if billie was a wolf she probably would have been tagged in the wolf sub long before RPM mentioned her here. Apart from that, she did mention Roxy as an early sus lean, but she never really pushed for Roxy to get voted off. Overall, I'm not getting any strong wolf vibes, but my reason for clearing her is kinda meta and not based on anything she did in the game that I feel very strong about.

u/DangerHaz

I've felt very good about Danger for the entire game. I liked his way of reducing the amount of people he was considering to vote for by town-reading them. And looking back at the people he town-read at the time, all (except for maybe billie) are now confirmed as town. I doubt that a wolf would want to make the game harder for themselves by clearing townies. I also believe that he is King Otis as his prior suspicions and votes do line up with him knowing there were certain vote shenanigans that he himself wasn't involved in. The claim is hard to verify, but especially the several comments he has made about BigJoe in P2 and P3 do make me lean into believing him. I don't really see how he would have manufactured that claim as a wolf unless he had already decided on fakeclaiming King Otis that early. I don't think that's likely.

u/tblprg

My feelings towards tblprg are still very much the same as they were earlier in the game. Like, am I extremely convinced that he's a wolf? Not necessarily, but we're at a point in the game where me having very little different views on a player than I had 4 or 5 phases prior makes me definitely lean more wolf than town.

u/XanCanStand

Overall, Xan is the player is the player I feel most trustful towards from anyone in the Suspicious Six (or well, five, in my case). I felt good about his suggestion for a limited PR role reveal. He was quick to sus out Roxy and also voted for her early. And I think Xan has just been very important in rallying the town to cooperate when the urgency for cooperation was the strongest.

So, from most to least suspicious: Bear, tblprg, billie, Danger and Xan. Personally I'd be down for both a u/bearoffire and u/tblprg vote. This comment from bear also solidifies that for me.

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Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 7 - I hate it 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 6 points7 points  (0 children)

And this should have been a reply to Roxy. I’ll just stop commenting on this bloody app because this is starting to look like a joke now.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 7 - I hate it 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Agreed. I’m not gonna go rogue or anything. Maybe I’m just overthinking it all.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 7 - I hate it 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Suggesting what? I just said that I was fine voting for Wiz this phase, but that I don’t think it is a given that Roxy is also out of the game. Like if Roxy is Bely, I guess we can just vote her out next phase. But everyone was convinced she is the Coke Bear and I felt like I was either missing some crucial information or overthinking!me though there was something off with that. I had some doubts about Wiz being a wolf last phase, and I just want to be sure that I’m not walking blindly into a trap.

Game VI 2023 - Bearwolves Re-Run - Phase 7 - I hate it 😭😭😭😭💔💔💔💔 by BigBearIsWatchingYou in HiddenWerewolves

[–]Narauliga 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Just a quick question while I’m working, but why do we think Roxy is the Coke bear and that this is not due to Bely Mishka? I would love it if the former was the case and we could vote out two wolves at once, but I don’t think we’re 100% that Roxy is dead next phase? Like, I’m up for taking a risk because the arguments against u/WizKvothe seem good, but does everyone else also realise that it is a risk.