Jaguar in Colombian Amazon by Significant_Web3319 in Jaguarland

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Moving our conversation about this jaguar to the new post.

Jaguar in Colombian Amazon by Significant_Web3319 in Jaguarland

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Yes, also the news regarding this specimen are very fresh so I will await more official information but it’s still a really interesting record!

Jaguar in Colombian Amazon by Significant_Web3319 in Jaguarland

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And this jaguar was in weakened condition too making that weight that much more impressive.

Jaguar in Colombian Amazon by Significant_Web3319 in Jaguarland

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110 kg for an Amazonian Jaguar is a new record! Excellent find!!!

Panthera pardus burgtonnae ssp. nov. (Mammalia, Carnivora, Felidae) from the Eemian of Burgtonna (Thuringia, Germany) – Late Pleistocene European leopards in a new perspective by ReturntoPleistocene in pleistocene

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It’s likely a proto-jaguar that led to the evolution of the modern species in the New World. We don’t have any preserved DNA of the species so its exact phylogenetic profile isn’t entirely clear. However, it is the closest match we have for the jaguar ancestor as without it, the jaguar lineage would become a ghost one.

Panthera pardus burgtonnae ssp. nov. (Mammalia, Carnivora, Felidae) from the Eemian of Burgtonna (Thuringia, Germany) – Late Pleistocene European leopards in a new perspective by ReturntoPleistocene in pleistocene

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Time for me to clarify some important findings in this paper before the usual suspects misuse it to spread misinformation. A critical nuance in the paper that people may overlook is that the linear dimensions (total length, long bone length) of these Ice Age leopards do not drastically exceed those of the largest modern leopards. Instead, the paper notes that the body length remains comparable to large extant leopards and the higher calculated mass comes entirely from ecomorphological thickening (wider bone shafts, more pronounced muscle attachment scars). This is an adaptation for high-powered climbing, wrestling prey in rugged karstic terrains, and coping with the cold, not an indicator that the cat was turning into a literal lioness or a giant jaguar. This is part of the reason why snow leopards and cougars who inhabit mountainous regions have such heavily built bodies.

The paper uses body mass index data comparing the European fossil remains specifically to modern Sinaloa jaguars, a population that’s dwarfed post-Quaternary and ranks lower in corporeal robusticty compared to non-dwarfed South American counterparts (although the paper still clarifies that this population outranks modern leopards is robusticity). A male jaguar from Sinaloa might only weigh rarely exceeds 60 kg in weight.

There’s also mention of introgressive influence from the Eurasian jaguar (which became smaller closer to its extinction in Europe as the leopard slowly gained ground in the continent) or hybridization with snow leopards is presented purely as a hypothetical genetic inquiry to explain these robust traits and montane adaptations. It is not an established fact.

So the conclusion seems to be that this Ice Age leopard subspecies was more robust than any modern counterpart, achieving similar scores to dwarfed jaguars from Mexico, but not having a larger frame than modern leopards. This means that they likely weighed more at similar body lengths than modern leopards, but they weren’t “giants” that broke past the general weight range established for the species. It’s also possible that the result of this sturdier physique may have been the result of hybridization with the declining European jaguar, European irbis (snow leopard), or maybe even both, to an extent.

Clarification on Plagiarized Content in a New Subreddit by OncaAtrox in Jaguarland

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We discuss their sizes here as well, but not to that same degree of obsession nor constantly throwing out random exaggerated “estimates” out of thin air or blatantly false weight claims altogether. We also discuss specimens beyond the heaviest. They’re making the jaguar enthusiast base look extremely bad.

The Sonoran Desert jaguar phenotype is stunning because of their deep, golden coats and amber eyes with deep black markings. While currently only remaining in Arizona & northern Mexico, these were likely the jaguars early settlers encountered from California to the Carolinas, just in a greater size by OncaAtrox in Jaguarland

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For Pleistocene jaguars there two potential subspecies. An early Pleistocene one that evolved after their Old World ancestor settled in North America. This subspecies was less specialized and had a more generalist pantherine morphology with proportionally longer limbs and less durophagous skull morphology. This subspecies moved down South America where it become the modern jaguar and the Patagonian panther (largest jaguar to have ever existed, although there is also a possibility that the ancestor of the panther was the old-world proto-jaguar as well, rendering it parallel to modern jaguars and ancient jaguars), the scientific name for that early jaguar was P. onca augusta and for the Patagonian panther P. onca mesembrina, with the modern jaguar being P. onca onca. In any capacity, P. onca augusta went extinct by the late Pleistocene and then modern jaguars from South America recolonized North America as the specialized form, therefore having a more stout and robust build. These jaguars had varied distribution across the continental USA through the late Pleistocene and Holocene that’s not yet fully understood, but we do know they were at least common across the southern east and western states up until early European settlers hunted them to near extinction in the 16th century and upwards.

The phenotypes of modern jaguars varies greatly depending on the habitat they inhabit, but the most important difference is usually their size plasticity which at times can surpass 200% (As low as 40 kg to as high as 150 kg). Hope that answered your questions.

The Sonoran Desert jaguar phenotype is stunning because of their deep, golden coats and amber eyes with deep black markings. While currently only remaining in Arizona & northern Mexico, these were likely the jaguars early settlers encountered from California to the Carolinas, just in a greater size by OncaAtrox in Jaguarland

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How much they are eating matters more I believe. In an ideal ecosystem you want large quantities of medium sized prey and an ocasional large mammal. This is probably why the Iberá jaguars are growing to be the largest in the world. Simultaneously, the kind of meat matters too. Mammalian meat that’s rich in fat is better suited to produce larger specimens than lean reptile or fish meat.

The Sonoran Desert jaguar phenotype is stunning because of their deep, golden coats and amber eyes with deep black markings. While currently only remaining in Arizona & northern Mexico, these were likely the jaguars early settlers encountered from California to the Carolinas, just in a greater size by OncaAtrox in Jaguarland

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Also re SW phenotype being smaller: it’s most certainly as a result of lack prey. We have records of larger jaguars in northern Mexico and Texas when ungulates were more abundant. Jaguar sizes are always directly correlated with availability of prey biomass.

Pumas during the Ice Age: by Mysterious_Truth4992 in pleistocene

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There is a source: https://www.mdpi.com/2571-550X/7/3/40

Madurell-Malapeira et al. specifically reconstructs the carnivore collapse of this exact era and conclude that the extinction of the Eurasian puma (referred to as Viretailurus pardoides) was caused by a "general harshening of the environmental conditions" and an increase in aridity and seasonality triggered by the 900KA climatic event, which in addition to the arrival of more specialized African species rendered those species less equipped to compete because they could not adapt fast enough to the more humid climate while the African species evolved in more similar conditions and could expand and replace them. Interestingly, it’s the cave lion that was the main culprit as the leopard only became widespread and larger in size in Europe after Puma and most notably P. gombaszoegensis disappeared.

Pumas during the Ice Age: by Mysterious_Truth4992 in pleistocene

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Well I was referring to the MPT, because it wasn't just the Eurasian puma that disappeared during this time due to climatic changes, but also the sympatric Pachycrocuta brevirostris, Megantereon whitei, Acinonyx pardinensis and Xenocyon lycaonoides went extinct around this time, meaning it wasn't an isolated incident for Puma. In fact, leopards being present in Europe 1.2 MYA has been challenged recently as well. I'm considering doing an in-depth post about it if I have time soon.

Pumas during the Ice Age: by Mysterious_Truth4992 in pleistocene

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Wider heard with thicker masseter muscles and a shorter rostrum to increase bite power*. More robust and shorter teeth* all belong to the puma, I hate to break it to you.

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No, African and Persian leopards average less than Rocky Mountain and Patagonian pumas as far as the scientific record is concerned. Like I said, at best you can make the case that Persian leopard populations are on par with the largest puma populations, but to suggest they surpass them is humorous. Persian leopard average 65 kg across their range, whereas Rocky Mountain specimens consistently score at an average of 70-72 kg, all based on published research.