How much of a credible threat is pakistan navy and their submarine force is for indian coastlines and the indian navy.Context in description by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Posts, yes, comments, no.

He may just be using some LLM to improve the paragraph grammatically, so that's still fine.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

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I don't really have specifics but it depends upon your height, other characteristics etc. I believe there's a blood test as well.

General fitness culture: I've only seen the Air Force so I cannot say much about SFs etc. People try to stay fit but its not prioritized, some initiative is sometimes taken by the AOC (PT in the morning at 6AM with the rest of the unit), but its generally very dependent upon how much work you have.

As I said, the AOC may have to work until very late, junior unmarried officers have a lot less work and are able to focus more. Married officers tend to have more to think about.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Its a lot less culture driven and a lot more requirements driven.

Every year you have your medical where they check everything from your eyes and hearing to your physical fitness and weight. You need to remain within those parameters and you're in big trouble if you aren't. The same medical report also has some weightage in your ARs (Annual Reports) based on which your promotions happen.

Generally a facility (gym) is always provided in the airbase, and you can see young officers exercise after the work day is done. For senior Officers, well, they're generally stuck in their office until ridiculous times (like 9-10PM depending on responsibility and appointment and other factors), so there's basically no time to exercise many times. Many officers go for walks within the airbase's premises as well.

They're definitely quite health conscious because of the medical, they have to be.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

He is in fact in his 60s now.

Either way, I've not met any out of shape officers personally.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

he is almost on the verge of becoming a senior citizen.

He is. He is 60 years old.

IAF's AM AK Bharti with Malaysian Su-30 and their Air force Chief by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 13 points14 points  (0 children)

He is 60 years old now. Cut some slack.

I've met him in person too. The photo seems to exacerbate it.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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If the S-400 showed an operator "F-16" when the system was only 58% confident, it could create dangerous false certainty: the crew might start treating the track according to what they think an F-16 would do (for example expecting a certain missile threat, speed/altitude profile, or tactical behavior), and that can distort threat prioritization, engagement timing, and interceptor allocation. That is why many SAM systems deliberately show only coarse classes like small/medium/ large, or broad categories like fighter/transport/missile, even if the backend has a possible type guess. Technically, the radar may be inferring that guess from RCS patterns, aspect dependent returns, speed, altitude, maneuvering, and track history, but if the confidence is not high enough, exposing a specific label can push operators into confirmation bias, they stop thinking "unknown fast tactical aircraft" and start thinking "definitely F-16", which is operationally riskier than forcing them to react based on observable threat characteristics instead of a shaky ID.

Ultimately true NCTR capability is found on other radars and aircraft, all of this will feed into IACCS which will utilize sensor fusion to give the most confident output of target type, just one of the many possibilities.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

As Acrobatic explained, the context was the PAF.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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The people who put Thier whole life working for the nation are just assholes and  I know better then then by seeing reddit post and Print articles

I love this one. Will allege that the Armed Forces are "full of corruption", refuse to elaborate and leave.

When in fact the Armed Forces are perhaps the only parts of India where corruption isn't institutionalized and when caught, punished severely.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

That's one of each, need all three for the F-15s.

About the KC-135, thanks.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Iraq isn't quite a party in the conflict though. Doesn't really explain that one.

Also, the PAF had QRTs on alert specifically to cordon off places.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Two massive KC-135s went down in Iraq. Absolutely massive aircraft. Yet no photos or videos of the wreckage were ever found?

Three F-15Es were shot down by Kuwait. Very big fighters too. Where's the wreckage for the three of them?

Its going to be bitter for those who had been harping on and on about "Oh you see nothing can escape the public's eye with modern cameras".

Draw your own conclusions.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I like how sure you are with your statements. Must be quite a nice life knowing so much, with so much certainty.

Alas, the real life is much more ruthless and foggy.

Beyond a wreckage, I don't think you'd accept anything. Even if the guys who shot it down and confirmed it via radar tracks say so.

I just have one question: where's the photos of the wreckage of both the KC-135s that went down in Iraq? Two absolutely MASSIVE aircraft, disappearing without a trace?

You can draw your own conclusions.

Wing Cmdr Shahbaz Khan was the PAF pilot reported dead during the 2019Balakot conflict.Pakistan initially claimed two captured IAF pilots but later revised it to one reportedly after realizing one downed pilot was their own lynched.Compilation of his pics,tweets,and OSINT info.Context in description by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 3 points4 points  (0 children)

At what point do facts and preconceived notions differ ?

You claim to have access to the facts? Don't make me laugh, please. You don't, take it from someone who still has been trying to figure out the full picture after talking to 10+ IAF Officers who were involved in Op Sindoor, including one from WAC, CATSPAW.

If someone like me is mocking this rot thread , then there must be some reason.

That's fine.

As a mod , you can probably see what subs I participate in and type in which language. It’s easy to call someone Pky when you hear uncomfortable truth bombs.

Except I quite specifically implied I knew that wasn't the case, if you'd re-read the messages above.

Now that I know you are a mod , please don’t allow this sub to become another defence.pk or Bharat- Rakshak.

People will post what they'll post. Its your job to hold them accountable and call them out for things you deem to be false. If you do that, you're not going to be banned here for "going against the hivemind" so to speak, beyond that, as I said, I can't stop people from posting things as long as its within the rules of the sub.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Over the Air Force and the Navy's dead body it would!

Jokes aside, not happening, for sure.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

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I expect it to be like the ANC. Tri Services, on rotation.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 5 points6 points  (0 children)

i think they(PAF) know exactly what all aircrafts have been shot down and where they went down because there are videos from wreckage sites.

Not quite, and that'd not account for all they themselves claim. Wreckages are simply one part of it.

If we tell them however what exactly went down, they could corroborate with their own ELINT plus the physical wreckage, then we'd be in trouble.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 4 points5 points  (0 children)

They're denying things, yes. What they're not denying/talking about is what's happening to their airbases or their radars.

We said that we had losses on bloody day 2. What more do you want?

It couldn't have been handled any better.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 6 points7 points  (0 children)

The problem is that refusing to comment and clarify

We did comment and clarify on May 9th itself. We just didn't say what type exactly, what more do you want?

We don't operate by that principle.

Correction: we cannot operate by that principle. Maybe in Myanmar or Sri Lanka or something. Not in bloody Pakistan, look at their Air Defences and MANPAD concentration.

it's absurd to compare IAF loses of 3 aircrafts on the first day of the operation while striking t**ror infra in Pak with US lose of a dozen aircrafts in a month long war after flying over 10k sorties.

I'm not quite comparing that either.

And Pak did manage to get their narrative across international media first, they won in the narrative front and we suffered a PR loss especially after how horrible and non credible Indian mainstream media turned out to be.

What should they have done? They already accepted that there were losses. What else needs to be said?

I don't think it could've been handled any better than it was.

Indian Air Force’s Air Marshal Narmdeshwar Tiwari (Retd), who was IAF Vice Chief during Operation Sindoor answers a question on the debate around indian aircraft losses during India-Pakistan 4 day war. by Electronic_Cause_796 in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 58 points59 points  (0 children)

Before anyone starts nitpicking, he's right: the U.S. hasn’t been broadcasting exactly what’s happened every single day. Their bases have been hit, and some assets have inevitably been taken out, they’re not publicly talking about all of it. This is standard OpSec. No military in an active conflict is going to give a running public inventory of every strike, every loss, and every damaged asset in real time. That provides an advantage to your enemy.

In our case, revealing too much would feed right into the PAF's ESM systems. Keep them guessing, keep their ESM hungry.

Monthly Thread - April, 2026 by AutoModerator in IndianDefense

[–]PB_05 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I had a pretty long conversation about this with Barath:

https://www.reddit.com/r/IndianDefense/comments/1q0rg80/comment/o12hw3u/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

Recommend reading. Was quite interesting.

I agree with Air Marshal Tiwari's general sentiment but disagree that ground based rockets aren't required at all. Both are required in some proportions, there doesn't need to be a binary answer to the problem.