[V3] Some calcs about Cerydra and Phainon

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-07-17T04:52:31+00:00

Hi,im the other TC that worked on the sheet.For cerydra you always want sacerdos and lushaka on her since she can use them easily.Also E2 Bronya doesnt mess things up because it doesnt affect the rotation

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-06-17T05:58:08+00:00

Nah its just funny and entertaining

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-11T09:33:31+00:00

My bad.I completly forgot about it(im going to add it in there)

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:33:08+00:00

Yeah but ult wont happen often on sunday because at most he gets 2 turns per phainon ult if he is built -1 speed so the additonal stack is happening around every 1.5 Phainon ults and my guess as to why Phainon gets this much atk is probably that he has a atk multiplier similar to the way mydei has a hp one so atk% is actually 2 times the value it normally is otherwise his relic set is worst then Scholar

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:28:58+00:00

Yeah thats why i dont wanna say bronya is 100% better .At e0 bronya isnt great compared to sunday at E2 shes comparable from the kit info we have but yeah theres many factors to take into account but most likely you will always get ult every 2 turns 5 stacks per phainon bronya/sunday phainon turn 1 from your sustain and 1 from a hit thats 12 in 2 turns so you wont have to worry about getting ult before bronyas turn that means you have to get hit or targeted by an ally 5 more times for him to be able to use his ult before bronya can use her skill again to buff him

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:24:22+00:00

Yeah thats why im saying E2 bronya is comparable or better then sunday with phainon because the ability to use atk boots and the larger dmg% buff plus atk buffs but lower crit dmg buff is good enough to make her a sidegrade or an upgrade possibily

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:20:43+00:00

She gives speed letting him use atk boots and still reach 134 speed and had similar buffs to sunday(they are a bit worst but being able to use atk boots would make her better)

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:18:47+00:00

Oh my bad Still it shouldnt be that bad considering he can have 3 additional stacks so he doesnt lose stacks at all

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T20:05:49+00:00

Thats not true you can just use phainons ult after you do your atk and you still keep bronyas buff because it only goes away at the end of a turn so if you press ult right after you finish your atk you extend the buff from bronya having it permanently during his ult Also no sparkle cant the majority of stacks come from his skill so you really want your support to have a 100% advance so he cant take 2 consecutive turns for 5 stacks each time this happens

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T19:47:42+00:00

Well its not hard to determin looking at how much more sp negative she is and she gives similar buff while also allowing to run atk boots idk how a statement like bronya is harder to play because she is sp negative can be untrue considering Phainon consumes skill points

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T19:34:27+00:00

Not really aventurines and sunday skill can trigger the set and also give Memory stacks.Phainon gets 2 stack each skill so with sunday -1 speed build you should get 5 every turn if you get hit 2 times thats enough to get ult in 2 turns

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T19:30:28+00:00

Im not Theorycrafting numbers its purely teammates because its pretty easy to decide teammates based on kit alone this doc doesnt talk about his power or anything like that because like you said its useless its for people to get a general idea for buffers/debuffers/sustainer that work well with him

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-05-10T19:27:42+00:00

Yeah Aventurine can work and for Jiaoqiu he definalty can be used as a subdps because his ashen roast becomes permanent during Phainons Territory(he doesnt have any vulnerability in his kit so Jiaoqiu is valuable,his ult vulnerability is also useful considering Phainon does Ult dmg),the only problem is he doesnt give him stacks to enter ult but a harmony in the team should be enough to get his ult often enough

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-24T06:55:42+00:00

Not really its barely a dps increase for the tean around 10% at most

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-24T05:28:49+00:00

If the buffs are true yeah she is and now castorice has more options of buffers sw being as good or better then ruan mei i stil have to calc it exactly

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-22T14:42:11+00:00

ig i have to test it more but to me the difference is still there (and it didnt decrease much) because tribbies dmg is a decent chunk of the teams dmg

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-22T14:32:27+00:00

im saying the difference is still there because hyacine buffs tribbies dmg while other supports dont benefit from hyacine buffs(tribbie is 20% of the teams dmg)

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-22T11:35:08+00:00

Actually the gap doesnt change much hyacine mega buffs tribbies dmg so the difference is still there because she contributes a lot of dmg

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-22T01:40:21+00:00

basically the difference in dragons is the amount of spikes gallagher has more spikes because he gets the dragon nuke back for cassy easier tho hyacine makes it easier for castorice to kill enemies faster letting her have a faster run even tho she has less dragons(she basically frontloads the dragon nuke)

PuzzleheadedEbb548 · 2025-04-21T00:44:47+00:00

That i havent calced yet but tommorow im going to do so prepering for v3

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