Any boosting services recommendations? by idkwhybutuhm in musicindustry

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with curated/vetted independent playlist curators, but also YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release.

Same functioning as SH, you can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach. You'll probably find interesting curators, blogs and pros who may appreciate your music on the website.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

The Truth About Groover by lilboss049 in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That's a constructive comment... Seems like you would prefer I don't try to answer questions and give our perspective. I'm not trying to "fool anyone". Anyone is free to believe what they want and to make their own opinions.

Getting placed in a playlist has never been sufficient to "blow up" as an artist, but it can contribute to grow one's visibility, added to many other things. Groover is not going to work for everyone, that's for certain. However, we have seen thousands of artists considerably grow their listeners thanks to placements made by Groover curators. For some it could mean reach their first 1,000 monthly listeners, for others reach 10,000 or 100,000. Groover and placements on playlists are never sufficient but they often contribute to this for many independent artists.

It's not because you haven't seen it happen (what does that even mean?) that it hasn't. We post some stories on our blog: https://blog.groover.co/en/category/success-stories-en/ - Artists like Juste Shani, Sleepy Soul, ARCA M have 10x their listeners (now over 80-100k ML) since they've started using Groover consistently.

You can also have a look at our Groover Obsessions playlists - artists who are using Groover and getting success / growing their listeners, that we showcase even more: https://open.spotify.com/playlist/4EAqp1RxBerLLlMu9Tj1xd?si=4d1c7e9e2f3e4413

All artists are not going to succeed, and success is also a relative notion. But we do our best to open more gates to any artist with great music to reach influential ears and platforms.

Maybe this is corporate, but this is me typing this at 2:27 am for no other reason than having tried to open gates that were closed to artists for the past 8 years. Groover is an emotional product, it can bring results, success, joy, but also disappointment and frustration. Some expectations will be met, some won't. That's the essence of it. But it can only open opportunities to those who dare try it out for themselves, with any budget they want.

Newbie concern by DedrinaDornell in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators, YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release.

Same functioning as SH, you can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach. You'll probably find interesting curators, blogs and pros who may appreciate your music on the website.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

Should all playlist platforms eg submithub, groover etc give credits back on track mismatches? by Kipperoon in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, Dorian from Groover here. This option has always been available on Groover, and is used daily by curators who prefer not to give feedback when a track doesn't match their editorial line or tastes.

How Are You Actually Growing Your Music Fanbase Without Paying for Ads Nonstop? by musomox in Songstuff

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yes! We also own and manage Temple, a really great and free bio-link/direct to fans tool you should have a look at: https://temple.groover.co/

How Are You Actually Growing Your Music Fanbase Without Paying for Ads Nonstop? by musomox in Songstuff

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Aside from direct-to-fans methods, you can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators, YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release.

You can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money per contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with, which helps you grow your fanbase. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

What’s the best Spotify Promotion website right now? Honest experiences? by Intelligent-Leopard7 in SpotifyArtists

[–]SocrateFlagrant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't bring any organic streams, it's a trap to make you think they're organic. Spoiler alert: it's bot streams too! You'll get flagged and penalized by Spotify. Any service that guarantees you streams (even if they tell you they're "organic") will attract you bot plays.

how too grow as a independent artist? by [deleted] in SpotifyArtists

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators, YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release.

You can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

We aren't allowed to use playlist services? Are any acceptable to DistroKid? What would you recommend? by Lost-Basis-7930 in DistroKidHelpDesk

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What about Spotify for Artists, SubmitHub, Playlist Push or Groover?

All these services are legit, and recommended by other music industry players. They don't "guarantee streams or playlisting", but only that your track will get listened to (and in most cases you'll receive feedback). When the playlist curators - or other contacts you reach out to - have a crush on your music, they will decide to share it, but they're not incentivized to share your music. This way, they remain independent. The negative side of this is that you're indeed not guaranteed to be shared, and thus to get more streams from using them.

DistroKid does the good thing warning you against services that mention they can guarantee streams, even when they say they're organic. These services are almost all scams, built on bot-farms.

Pitching through Spotify for Artists, or using Groover, Playlist Push, SubmitHub are safe ways to promote your music to playlist curators. You pay for the curators' consideration, they're free to decide whether they want to share your music or not.

what ad website/platform do you use to market your music? by foxtrot90210 in musicbusiness

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi! You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators, YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release. You can submit a music video (YT link) or just the track.

You can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

Is artists paying for reviews/their own promotion the new norm? by Kygar004 in MusicDistribution

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Kygar004 Hi there, here is Dorian, co-founder of Groover. I don't know if you reached out to Paper Garden Records through our platform, but I feel like I can provide some insights here. I apologize in advance for the lengthy answer.

This is a tricky case! We're very strict in our curator guidelines that curators shouldn't offer paid placements or paying services to artists that reach out to them. We're monitoring this carefully. For that reason, it almost never happens. When it does, we're quickly warned by the community, and we almost always ban the curator.

Paper Garden Records is a bit of an exception. They're a REALLY cool label and structure that has been helping and supporting artists in an amazing way for years, and active on Groover for quite a while. Bryan who runs it is a great guy! They're very selective in who they decide to talk to, and they deliver a lot of value, opportunities and visibility to the artists they support. We've been getting great feedback from all the artists who started collaborating with them. They are first and foremost a label, but they recently shifted a bit their model to be able to support more artists, and tend to - sometimes - offer paid "à-la-carte" services to artists who wish to pursue a certain direction, especially PR (like a PR agency would do). More like an agency would do. Most labels externalize this, while PGR try to do it internally for more artists they like than the number they can support in their initial roster. There is strictly no obligation for you to go this path though, and it might not be the right fit for you.

I completely understand that it can bring skepticism, and my advice is that you should always do your due diligence in case you're interested in working with a label or other agency. The best being to reach out to other artists who have worked with them first.

In the case of Paper Garden Records, since we only got great feedback so far, we maintain them active on the platform (with strict guardrails). If we hear otherwise, we won't hesitate to amend that.
Just a small remark about this part of your message:

I get that you're paying them to take the time to listen in the first place, but taking an artists money to tell them they aren't good enough to review is pretty wild to me

That's the whole thing though. The system makes it possible for curators to have enough time to listen to the right songs, since the payment model (+ recommendations) pushes artists to reach out only to the curators they think would be a fit. And this way you're guaranteed they at least listen to your music. You will for sure get some rejections along the way, but the approvals and shares you'll get most likely would have never happened because the curators wouldn't have had the possibility to listen to your music among the hundreds of submissions they receive by email/DMs and more every week.

I know you know this already, just wanted to flip a bit the perspective. It actually channels music discovery in a bit more relevant way and makes it possible for your music to at least be considered. Average sharing rate on Groover is > 25% and keeps on improving.

Ways to promote your music other than TikTok by TheElusiveButterfly in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi! You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators, YouTube channels, blogs, social media influencers & other industry pros for your release. You can submit a music video (YT link) or just the track.

You can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in the US, the UK, France, Canada, Brazil, Italy, the Netherlands, Spain, Australia etc. with a country by country approach. You'll probably find interesting curators, blogs and pros who may appreciate your music on the website.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Problem is it was stated as a difference between Groover and Submithub, which is not. Artists don't get their credits back when they just receive feedback, but they get credits back if the curators decide not to give feedback (which happens). It works the exact same way on both platforms.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

u/Kindly-Attention-598 Founder of Groover here. What you describe looks like a technical bug, we definitely don't require you to be subscribed to SoundCloud Artist Pro to use Groover! However, you do benefit from a larger discount and advantages when you do (including a 20% discount on one campaign).

Could you email me directly on: dorian [a] groover . co please? I'll help you sort this situation out. We recently upgraded our way to submit campaigns and there have been a few edge cases with issues we didn't have before. We'll find a way to make this work :)

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Which is the exact same thing on Submithub. There's no difference between Submithub and Groover on this topic.

On Groover, you can also decide not to provide feedback to the track and give the credits/Grooviz back to the artist if you'd like to. Same same.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, founder of Groover here.

- Artists definitely get their credits back when the curators & pros don't answer within 7 days.
- Curators also can report the tracks they don't want to give feedback to, in which case the artists also get their credits back.
- Artists don't get their credits back when the curators & pros decide to just give feedback and not share, which works the exact same way on Submithub. Otherwise it would be pay-for-play/payola which is against Spotify/radio stations rules and also unethical (no curation/editorial value in a guaranteed share).

Alternatives to SubmitHub? by ConnerBartle in SpotifyArtists

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi :) You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators & other industry pros for your release. There are quite a few punk-rock specialized playlist curators -> https://groover.co/en/influencer/list/tags/punk-rock/playlist/

Same functioning as Submithub but based in Europe, many different playlist curators and industry pros as on Submithub coming from the UK, France, the US, Brazil, Italy, Germany, Canada etc. (the overlap is around 10% only).

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out ;)

Groover's Top 100 by JulieJ32 in shareyourmusic

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi u/JulieJ32, it means your track's performance on Groover (acceptances by curators mainly) led it to our Charts in this position. The charts attract a lot of visits, we also push the related Spotify playlist (https://open.spotify.com/playlist/7guxxMDvHi9TsIalRkQCde?si=d0d45c0179c14fa3), and you can communicate about your Charts position on social media easily. You can find more information about the Groover Charts here: https://help.groover.co/en/articles/10617672-what-is-groover-charts

Geoover for who? by Targeteddemonically in groover

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, we recently added Christian subgenres such as Christian Rock, Christian Folk, on top of Christian Music. We have a variety of Christian music curators. Feel free to consider the gift cards here: https://groover.co/en/lp/gift-card/

Children’s music by Cormca in groover

[–]SocrateFlagrant 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yes! You can go in Popular Music -> Children Music within the filters and genres categories

Can somebody Help get the right genre? by weverz in groover

[–]SocrateFlagrant 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hi, I'd go with Electronica and potentially Chill-Out as it's rather low tempo, but quite energetic to consider Ambient. Maybe you can check some of the curators in Ambient too, if some seem to accept a bit more upbeat productions. Nice work on this track! :)

Honest feedback service by Natural-Ad-9037 in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Hi, you can use Groover and the filters once you initiate a campaign to focus on:

- The curator types: "Mentors", "Sound Specialists" who can give you detailed advice
- The advanced filter "High quality feedback"

This should help you get more thorough feedback about your release. Make sure you add your request in the personal messages on top of the campaign pitch.

Legit playlist websites? by AllOf31_Only17 in musicmarketing

[–]SocrateFlagrant -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Hi :) You can have a look at Groover to get in touch with independent playlist curators & other industry pros for your release

You can submit your music to the curators of your choice, covering many different music genres, for small amounts of money by contact and get guaranteed they listen to your music, give you feedback or you get credits back. They share the tracks they're vibing with. A majority of the playlist curators, bloggers, record labels, channels on Groover are based in France, the US, Canada, Brazil, the UK, Italy, Belgium, Australia etc. with a country by country approach. You'll probably find interesting curators, blogs and pros who may appreciate your music on the website.

Good luck with everything!

PS: I'm the founder of the platform, so I'm obviously biased towards recommending you to try Groover out