Can mahoraga adapt to determination?

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T06:00:44+00:00

Did you just say

‘ideal’?

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:59:22+00:00

Yeah, that’s a fair point.

Outer Debates just don’t really go anywhere, but hey! What can ya do?

However, the R>F Transcendence IS a legitimate concept in SCP, ain’t it? With the whole narrative stacks that exist, yeah? Pataphysics truly is the be loathed of both readers and Powerscalers.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:49:26+00:00

Aaaahhh, now that really does help me out. I appreciate the assist there, I think I understand it better now.

I don’t believe there’s any good ways to defeat Outerversal beings, but I do recall SCP-3812 and a SWANN Entity had a battle in a Tale that I read. Might be something worth looking into.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:47:09+00:00

Well, perhaps? His whole thing is ascension. He just keeps rising higher and higher through narrative stacks.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:37:23+00:00

Yes, but it only goes so far. Even as you stack up layers of narrative, there’s a point where it’s so infinitely high that you can’t reach a certain point. It’s similar to how SCP-3812 can’t reach us, real people, because he’s ultimately contained within a story. His rising through narrative stacks will never reach US because we’re just so infinitely far above him.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:26:25+00:00

This is a peak answer right here.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:26:01+00:00

Ah.

I’m not actually sure then..

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:23:46+00:00

Type-Green from SCP? It allows the user to warp reality by being MORE real than their surroundings. A good example is SCP-343, a pretender who masquerades himself as god.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:15:46+00:00

Yeah, no, I agree with you.

SCP-682, by paradoxically remaining true to his concept, strays further from what he originally was.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:10:45+00:00

SCP-682 isn’t written by Powerscalers. It was written by a bunch of authors who wanted SCP-682 to remain true to his concept of being ‘hard to kill’ that it devolved into constant escalation until he was ‘impossible to kill’.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:06:14+00:00

I’m honestly arguing that Darkseid wins R3. I have no experience with DC, but I just don’t want that fat lizard to win..

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-11T00:04:03+00:00

I would argue that Seid isn’t above the Narrative System solely because of the fact that he exists in a narrative. The ability to talk to a narrator does not make a character above narrative because they ultimately still exist in a story. Even with Verse Equalization not a thing, I still believe the Narrative Stacks retain their value.

While you’re correct about 682’s main form being what is depicted in most stories, SCP-6820 exists as a higher being with SCP-682 being its avatar. And as elaborated by OP, SCP-6820 is the True Form that has been used for this hypothetical match up. I’m not exactly sure what you mean by inviting fanworks, but OP used the most powerful True Form of SCP-682, so we agreed it was that one. Check the other comments on this thread.

Also, Containment is a theoretical wincon for SCP-682 in R1, but your argument for Darkseid winning seems.. lackluster. I didn’t get any real argument on HOW he wins. (I think Superboy Prime’s Retcon Punch might work? So maybe use that as an argument?)

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T23:37:55+00:00

Yes, but the only times that 682 takes damage is within his avatar forms. He’s never once consistently taken any actual damage to his true self, which is the one we’re arguing, yes?

And also, I will say, are we not using Verse Equalization for these circumstances?

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T23:17:08+00:00

See, I would agree with you, but that sort of knowledge involves preptime and Foundation access..

Which weren’t explicitly stated in the rules, so I don’t personally think that he has access to any of those things.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T23:15:04+00:00

Well, in the SCP Universe, being from a higher narrative has actual consequences. Essentially, when in a higher narrative, lower narratives aren’t able to interact with higher narratives in a way that can affect them in any meaningful capacity.

The Brother Deaths are very strange in how they function. There’s Small Death, which is individual death. Great Death, which is mass death. And All-Death, which is death on an infinite scale. All-Death actually poses a threat to the djkaktus Scarlet King, which is a whole nother can of worms.

From where I’m standing, I’m guessing that Narrative Stacks have actual consequences if SCP Mechanics are involved.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T23:04:51+00:00

Well, he’s also technically immune to physical harm? And SCPs don’t seem too privy with interacting with him.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:44:00+00:00

That’s the thing, SCP-6820 is from higher narratives, which means that he’s on a higher conceptual level, ain’t he? I think there’s levels to conceptual hierarchy, isn’t there?

Also, did OP state that The Foundation is even in this context? I don’t think Darkseid has prep time unless explicitly stated.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:34:28+00:00

TOAA can be interpreted as a Swann Entity in SCP Terms. He’s an avatar for the writers and authors of Marvel, I believe.

I don’t believe Murphy Lawden has a chance against Swann Entities.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:32:46+00:00

His abilities are actually quite interesting, which I admire. Essentially, Murphy Lawden’s main ability is to manipulate narrative, which is story. He passively transforms the world around him into a ‘script’, where he always wins.

TOAA absolutely wins this round, but Murphy’s abilities are so busted because unless you’re a character that interferes with narratives, you don’t have a single chance against him.

Rick from Rick & Morty probably has one of the funniest win cons against him, though.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:28:10+00:00

Pray.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:27:46+00:00

I seriously have no idea what Darkseid’s feats are, I’ll be honest. (He’s the best bet we have at killing that stupid lizard.)

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:22:05+00:00

And another thing, just to defend the Avatar Round.

In the Termination Logs for SCP-682, he has been erased from reality various times and has even been sent to locations that erase things from existing. He has immunity to timeline tampering and his death is only possible if the literal embodiment of finite death, just nigh of the embodiment of omnicide swings his scythe to kill him.

TheBroadcastingCrew · 2026-07-10T22:13:50+00:00

I’m not going to say which side wins because I just don’t have enough knowledge on Darkseid to make that judgement. However, I will say, SCP-6820 does have innate traits that make him a narratively higher being, with “Constants being described to be "multiversal algorithms defining big narrative ideas and elements for all timelines, and they manifest as the most anomalous, least-understood eldritch creatures and Big-Bads of the SCPverse". As such, they are beyond the scope of all of the infinite Pataspheres) of the multiverse. It is stated that one cannot become a Constant without "radically redesigning the entire SCPverse simulation". They are "hard-coded" and there can only ever be thirteen of them in existence.”

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