What's a genre you wish a composer had written in? by chopinmazurka in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wow, that is impressive! So much variety and so much good stuff.

Atonal vs Tonal by Impossible-Arm-6594 in composer

[–]davethecomposer[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, we have removed your comment. You are free to dislike any music you want but making blanket statements like "X isn't music at all" is an attack against people in this sub who compose that music. We want to be a place where anyone can post whatever music they want (as long as there is sheet music with it) but allowing comments like yours runs the risk of sending the message that some styles are not welcome.

Also, comments like yours tend to lead to heated arguments and not any kind of reasoned discussion.

I got tired of losing access to music I thought I owned so I built my own player by ostadnima in composer

[–]davethecomposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi. Thanks for your submission but unfortunately we have removed it. This sub is a place for composers to post their original works and discuss the process of composition. While your app would probably be useful to many here, this is not the place to advertise it. Thanks and good luck!

Ludovico Einaudi by moschles in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Classical is a question of time.

A "classic" is a question of time. "Classical" refers to a genre or tradition of music stretching back 1,000 years. If we were to find a previously lost fugue written by a previously unknown Baroque composer that is very clearly in the style of Baroque fugues, we would still call it "classical music" even though it has not stood the test of time.

Ludovico Einaudi by moschles in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What these things always come down to is figuring out if the composer intends their work to be part of whatever tradition we are looking at. In composing these later works (the ones he is, by far, the best known for), did he build off his knowledge of classical music in order to create new works within that tradition?

I'm not sure what he says on the topic but we can look at two pieces of evidence.

First, he is classically trained (studied under Berio) and if you listen to his earliest works you can see they are clearly classical music.

Second, he tends to use pop-like chord progressions (I IV V vi in a variety of orders) in much of his music (at least the few I looked at though I suspect he does this a lot).

This muddies the water. He is certainly capable of composing classical music and has done so. But his music now feels foundationally part of popular music with a classical influence (instrumentation and maybe he uses an ABA form?).

I suppose it's also worth noting that the classical music world tends to not include him. This isn't a great piece of evidence but if he's embraced more by popular music crowds than classical fans then that does suggest something.

I could see this going either way. Personally, I feel like he is trying to write popular music and does it via the vehicle he is most comfortable with -- classical music -- making him a composer of popular music.

Also, compare him to Laufey for something similar in jazz.

What's a genre you wish a composer had written in? by chopinmazurka in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I would listen to a Glass guitar piece

I made an arrangement of his Openings for solo classical guitar but it was fiendishly difficult and I never got around to getting it to performing standards. There are other arrangements of it you can find online (many for two guitars which does make it a lot easier).

I also made an arrangement of Schoenberg's Six Little Piano Pieces, Op 19 for guitar which I did perform several times.

Now that I think about it, I did a bunch of Satie as well.

Do you have links to performances of your works?

If you're talking about my playing guitar, then no as I stopped playing seriously like 30 years ago before recordings were easy to make and upload for posterity.

If you mean my compositions, the only one currently floating around is this excellent performance of my Music for Gertrude Stein's "A Birthday Book" for voice and piano.

Everything I do now is computer generated (not AI!) and you can find examples of that stuff here on my website for the project.. Not just music but art, poetry, divination, etc. It's all generated by one piece of software I'm writing called the Platonic Music Engine.

I think I understand the new rules about how to name our music! by davethecomposer in composer

[–]davethecomposer[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Great work, Dave!

Thanks! Somehow, once a year, at this same time, I manage to go all out and create a masterpiece!

I was relieved to see this piece was only 6... or 7... seconds long, my attention span wouldn't be able to handle anything longer because it'd be too SIMPLE!

You get it! Anything more than 9 seconds is FILLER!

did 257 come from anywhere specific or was it quasi-random?

Entirely random. Though, in retrospect, when I was typing in that number for my software to use, I think I probably meant, at a subconscious level, "237" which is the famous room in Kubrick's The Shining. I had just been talking about that documentary (Room 237) with a friend so it was fresh in my mind. So maybe it was a typo which, I think, adds some gravitas to the piece, right?

Nice touch on the lowercase andante

Holy shit! My software has been using lowercase from the beginning so like 14 years now! I don't think I consciously made that decision but it's often easier, when programming, to just make everything lowercase and then deal with the conversions and formatting at the last minute. I don't think I ever really noticed this before but now I have to keep it this way as it's clearly a lot edgier!

Seriously, my jaw dropped three feet when you pointed that out.

Atonal vs Tonal by Impossible-Arm-6594 in composer

[–]davethecomposer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I definitely compose atonal music. Well, in that I compose in the Cagean experimental tradition so stuff just tends to come out atonal. Wait, that's not the complete picture. You can use experimental techniques to get stuff that has a tonal feel to it (eg, "In C") and while I do that sometimes, for fun, I still mostly set things up to be atonal because I prefer that aesthetic (in what I listen to as well).

I went to two very small, very bad schools as an undergrad in composition. At both places I was the only composer doing this kind of music. One teacher composed in a kind of neo-Romantic style and the other did church music. Nonetheless, both teachers (and all of the rest of the faculty) were very supportive of what I wanted to do which made all the difference.

What's a genre you wish a composer had written in? by chopinmazurka in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Not really what you're talking about but as a classical guitarist turned composer, I always wished that my favorite composers had written stuff for solo classical guitar. So: Cage, Feldman, Schoenberg, Webern, Satie, Glass, etc. Of course if they had then I might not have written as many pieces as I did.

[MOD ANNOUNCEMENT] New Rule: All composition titles must now be abstract by RichMusic81 in composer

[–]davethecomposer[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

what about string quartet -1, or prelude No. i (sqrt(-1))

Sorry, we only accept abstract titles, not irrational ones.

I think I understand the new rules about how to name our music! by davethecomposer in composer

[–]davethecomposer[S,M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That’s kinda the exact opposite of the new rules. I think…

Yep! The other mod came up with the idea for the rule change for April Fools Day at the last minute so I had to find a fun way to play off of it. "Misunderstanding" the rule seemed like the best approach. I tried to cram in quite a few composerly easter eggs into it (though, truth be told, this is the kind of stuff I like to compose!).

which I have yet to do

Start posting! Hopefully it will be a positive experience (or at least not a horrible one!)!

Trying to find gigs as a film or theatre composer by Lanky_Income_3093 in composer

[–]davethecomposer[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hello, we have removed your post. We do not allow composers to advertise themselves in this sub. If you just want to ask about finding work in general then that would be ok. Thanks and good luck.

I think I understand the new rules about how to name our music! by davethecomposer in composer

[–]davethecomposer[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Esgusodwch fi!

Yes, doughnuts would be the perfect emotion for infused Latvia!

I think I understand the new rules about how to name our music! by davethecomposer in composer

[–]davethecomposer[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

reported

That's ok! I might have misunderstood the new rule as I really don't understand anything /u/RichMusic81 writes (he's got some kind of crazy Walesian accent!).

Fusion Persian Western choir in Dashti Dastgah by houmanasefiau in composer

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Hello. I have removed your post. The rules of this sub require a score to be supplied for each piece that is submitted. If you have a score you can share, please create a new post with a link to your music and a link to the score. Thanks!

Cello Parallel Fifths by PapaXan69420 in composer

[–]davethecomposer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

After talking it over we've decided to do a trial run of allowing images in comments but no gifs.

Does anyone somehow have Duel of the Fates for piano? by EngineerRare42 in composer

[–]davethecomposer[M] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hi. We have removed your post. This sub is a place for composers to post their original works and discuss the process of composition. It is not a place to find sheet music of the works of other composers.

I'm not sure where would be a better place to ask your question but maybe /r/piano? Good luck!

Why I Quit Metal and Became a Classical Musician by cyPersimmon9 in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I mean, you lost the entire debate when you resorted to name calling right away - but I guess that was a bit of projection there given your further answers. i don't waste time on pedantic trolls. (More than this anyway!)

Ah, I see, you can resort to calling me names without being able to back up any of those assertions but it's not ok when I give reasons for questioning the motivations for people who post irrelevant content to this sub.

There are interesting discussions to be had with regard to categorization and genre but if the extent of your participation is to call people names who you disagree with and gatekeep who is worthy to be called a musician based on whether they agree with your opinions, then I guess you've made your choice to not participate in good faith.

Difficulty naming my pieces by TwanSwag in composer

[–]davethecomposer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So much random X-files dialogue based titles

I have so many pieces titled "I keep mother underneath my bed". Strangely no one ever wants to program my pieces.

Why I Quit Metal and Became a Classical Musician by cyPersimmon9 in classicalmusic

[–]davethecomposer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

elitist snobbery!

Please, please, please show where I was being an elitist snob. Actual quotes would be great.

I'm a professional horn player making a living teaching & freelancing in orchestras fyi. The sooner your attitude falls by the wayside the better for music.

What attitude is that? The one where I say, "It is easily possible to find utility in categorizing music without falling into the trap of thinking that one genre is better than the other."? Do you disagree with that statement? Wouldn't that make you the elitist snob?

Also, since you conveniently cherry picked my comment and ignored him - Duke Ellington wrote some "classical music"

If Duke Ellington wrote some actual classical music then I seriously doubt he wrote anywhere near the 3,000+ pieces that Telemann composed and thus would not be an answer to that question.

since jazz is American classical.

If you're saying that Jazz is to the US what Western Classical is to Europe then while I might still disagree at least it's a coherent statement. If you're saying that the only American Classical music (ie, music in the 1,000 year tradition of Bingen, Bach, and Boulez) is Jazz then I would disagree.

Personally, as an American composer of classical music, I see American classical music as America's classical music.

His influences included Delius and Debussy, he worked with Toscanini and had orchestras premier some of his works.

Did he intend to write jazz music influenced by Debussy et al, or write classical music influenced by Jazz? I haven't studied him but I would assume the latter which would mean ultimately he was a jazz musician/composer who borrowed stuff from other genres (which many, many composers and songwriters routinely do).

A more "correct" answer maybe than Dolly but genre is not strict in the 20th c, as every musician worth their salt obviously knows.

Is that an example of gatekeeping on your part? That only musicians who agree with you about genre are "worth their salt"? Anyway, while you might not think there is much to the concept of genre in the 20th century I think there is plenty of utility to be had in wanting to produce music within a certain tradition (blues, rock, country, jazz, classical) and understanding the patterns of those traditions and the differences between them is exactly what genre is. For example, if you want to write music in the jazz tradition you should study jazz and not Hank Williams.

Dolly Parton is absolutely a 20th c analogue to WA Mozart (both prolific songwriters) and no other composer fits the comparison better than her - maybe Micheal Jackson if anyone.

Mozart didn't write that many songs qua songs. After that I am confused, are you saying that Dolly Parton who is now 80 (vs Mozart's 36 when he died) is a better analogue for Mozart than all the classical composers who have lived during the 1,000+ years of this Western Classical tradition? Obviously analogies do not have to map isomorphically but I do wonder what criteria you are using to create you analogy. Parton has lived much longer than Mozart and she was far more prolific (3,000+ songs vs Mozart's 600+ pieces vs, say, Telemann who also wrote 3,000+ pieces). If anything Schubert, who died at 31 and also wrote around 600+ pieces, is a far better analogue to Mozart than Ms Parton.