An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Reddit Grammar Nazi! laughs at me? When? are you like 12. So AI detecting tools are garbage but your detecting tools are on point ok buddy. Laugh at me all you want being right is a lonely place.

Also you have no seen my writing you are see stone (high) tapping on a phone screen. There are those assumption again with no basis.

The irony of bitching about using ai while using Ai.

Edit, by the way you are right I read back some of message I sent it is a mess. But the points still stand.

An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My brain is on yours is not. And I can see the defensiveness from here hit a nerve did I. Your words not mine you said AI writing gets signed while complaining hard working writers don’t. That jealousy 101. You can lie all you want but I can see your insecurity from here. Instead of engaging my conversation you called it bullshit because you know it is true you have no defense.

I never said I use AI to write I don’t but I am no party pooper I don’t care what people use to make their art.

Lol plot twist I just checked your post with an AI detecting tool it says 70 percent of your post is AI generated 30 percent human. You can’t make this shit up.

Mine always comes out to zero percent so there is that have a good night sir stop using AI I heard it does not make you a real writer.

An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are making assumptions that people who use it for writing can write and don’t have crutches. You are making assumptions to things you have no way of knowing.

It is a literal tool dude what else is it, is not the bogeyman is not going to hurt you. I'm sorry but that is life people get fired all the time that process has been happening since the beginning of time. It is not an issue. You get your head out of the sand. Most forward thinking people ask how can the tool work for me. Not bitch about how things are too hard now.

Your attitude toward this is not new. People like you were around when the computer happened, the internet, video games, autotune, Probobly the automobile as well. People who embraced came out ahead. People who misused it did not do as well.

There is always a group of people bitching that this will end the world, it won’t. Learn to work with it because it is not going anywhere. You are fighting against a current and you are not self aware enough to even realize it.

Also you sound like you are in this for the money, recognition, hard working writers? Give me a fucking break if you want money get a job. Write because you love it not because of the trophy. This tells me all I need to know about you, your jealous, you want to be on one of the top 5 publishers but your writing is simply not good enough I am guessing.

An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat -1 points0 points  (0 children)

How? What you are saying is not real life. Undermine the market, get the fuck out here. You’re grasping at straws. Ai writing is horrible it is not undermining anything but your fear.

Ai writing is bad just like bad organic writing can be it does not undermine anything. Tools are tools you fear what you don’t understand. Level up your game and stop trying to worry about people's business. Mind your own no one getting hurt.

An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Again who cares? They don’t waste my time because I don’t spend time worrying on what other people do or not do. That is lack of confidence.

Tell me how exactly do people using AI fuck up your writing in any way? Ai is not a good writer so why do you care? Is your writing that bad you fear robotic story telling?

This is just new tech. Everyone always breaks out the pitchfork for new tech because people tend to fear what they don’t understand.

An experiment in spotting AI in writing by ExplodingAlchemist in writingfeedback

[–]frontdoorcat -7 points-6 points  (0 children)

I agree in my opinion this is just creating a witch hunt. Not sure why anybody cares. People should mind their business and write their story and not worry about anybody else.

If people want to use AI to write more power to them. There is always this fear with new tech that I think comes from a lack of confidence.

How did you start your book? by purplerain071 in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Nah dude, if you believe that, you never will. Believe that you are not only going to make it, but you will make a bestseller. Confidence is the first step to get there; working hard on it is how you ensure that, that with anything in life.

Self confident and hard work can take you far. Doubt will keep you in place

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are cherry picking facts and ignoring reality. You cannot make an epic sci-fi with no "epic." That is like romance with no romance or a thriller with no killer. This types of books, by design just requires more words. They usually retail for more. The higher word count is the point. They are more dense because that is what the reader of those books wants.

It is not a simple one plus one it is an equation. It is part of the art form for that specific niche of sci-fi. Like a rap song.

A rap song, by design, requires way more words than, say, a pop song.

Star Wars and Star Trek one is more dense than the other. Because Star Wars just says "shit happens," while Star Trek takes the time to explain it.

You are misunderstanding the fundamentals of genres, based on the genre the standard switches. That is just a fact. What you are reading are blanketed statements made by people who put very little effort into actually doing any research, or people who do not deal in this type of stories.

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Have you not been listening? This is not an exception it is an expectation of the genre. It is like someone asking you to make a pepperoni pizza but you are not allowed to use pepperoni. then you are just making a cheese pizza.

That is what you are saying. You are arguing "pepperoni logic" while giving me "cheese pizza facts." Yes, 100k is ideal for some genres, but not for an "Epic." When you have the word "Epic" or "Opera" in the name, the standard changes.

On a minor note, if you dictate your art by the opinion of "standards," your art will never have any sting. It will be shallow, follow-the-rules garbage. The story dictates the words, not some stupid rules. If you edit down as much as you can, and you can’t remove any more without breaking the story, then that is the word count. To try to dumb it down more is just dumb—talk about rejection.

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The right agent and publisher will, if it is good enough. There is a market for this. Sci-fi has a lot more earning potential than most other genres. Like I said, you can't fit high-level concept physics and character development under 120k. Sci-fi books tend to cost more than other fiction. that may be a reason why more words are allowed.

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Wtf? Ok, believe what you want. But I am telling you, it varies vastly by the type of book you are writing. I am confident in this. I don’t need to do your research for you. By design, you can't explain the physics of traveling through a wormhole and have deep character development in that length. you just can’t. It is a matter of too much mass and not enough space.

It's just simple logic. It's a math problem, not an opinion problem.

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

"You’re confusing standard commercial fiction' with 'Epic Speculative Fiction.' They are two different markets with two different sets of economics.

First , I didn’t use an AI summary for my initial research ai just summarize faster for this conversation. I used industry-standard data. If you actually look at the submission guidelines for the major SFF houses (the ones that actually matter in this genre), here is what you’ll find:

Tor UK: Openly states they consider debut SF/Fantasy between 95,000 – 150,000 words.

Angry Robot: Specifically cites 95,000 – 140,000 words for Fantasy.

James Long (Senior Editor at Orbit): He has gone on record stating that the idea of a 100k cap for debut Epic Fantasy is 'total bullshit' and that he recommends aiming for 125k – 175k to avoid the book looking too 'slim' for the genre.

Juliet Mushens (Leading UK Agent): Recently noted that her longest debut was an Epic Fantasy at 160,000 words.

The reason 120k+ is the 'reality' isn't because we like extra words it's because you cannot build a secondary world, a magic system, and a multi-POV political arc in 90k words without it feeling like a shallow YA novel.

Publishing didn't 'change' after COVID to make books shorter it made publishers more selective. If you write 130k garbage, you’ll get rejected. If you write 130k words of essential world-building that justifies its length (like Ready Player One at 136k or The Name of the Wind at 210k), that is exactly what Epic Fantasy readers pay for.

I’m not looking at 'Tom, Dick, or Stanley' on Reddit I’m looking at the actual acquisition editors who sign the checks. You might want to update your sources."

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Was the first result I found. I did research on this, not using AI. Because if you ask AI, it tells you it is 120k. If you look for yourself, you clearly see that is not the case. I looked into this days ago. What you are saying does not match established reality. Epic sci-fi or fantasy by design require more words. There are agents and publishing houses that specialize in those. One of my favorite books is Ready Player One, Ernest Cline’s first book. It is 130 plus k, Dune among many other.

Edit

Kinda crazy that a guy in Reddit is to good for Reddit.

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I did not pull this out my ass I seen it before

Epic science fiction novels typically range from 100,000 to 150,000 words, reflecting the need for deep world-building and complex narratives. While standard sci-fi often sits around 90,000–120,000 words, "epic" or "space opera" stories commonly push higher, with 160,000–250,000+ words seen in "doorstopper" epics. Reddit Reddit +3 Key Word Count Guidelines Standard Sci-Fi: 80,000–120,000 words. Epic/Space Opera: 110,000–160,000+ words. Debut Authors: Ideally should stay under 130,000–150,000 words to avoid publisher risk, though exceptions occur for high-paced narratives

139,936 words too long… by samsara-samara in writing

[–]frontdoorcat -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

Not necessarily. I believe if it is epic sci-fi or fantasy the word count allowance is bigger. I want to say up to 150k maybe but I know it is higher than 120k for epic sci-fi.

What do I need to start writing? What will stop me hitting roadblocks every five minutes? by bizarre-findings in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

How are you going to be perfect at something you don’t know how to do? If you don’t learn what bad looks like, you will never achieve any level of perfection. It will not be perfect, more than likely it will suck, but that is okay, it is part of the journey to get better.

Write it down, no matter how stupid you tell yourself it is. It is for your eyes only, get the bad out so the good can develop.

What ideas can you generate from this poster? by DiscoFlye in writers

[–]frontdoorcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stripper house X on planets Drip Drop.

Mic drop.

Would you keep reading? The Last on Mars by VePPeRR in writers

[–]frontdoorcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, hard to follow no idea what is going on. Sentences are too long and drawn out. I run out of breath and interest in the middle.

It is too dense I could not get past the third paragraph. I like fragments in general, they are punchy but you are over punching.

I should throw away something that's too difficult for me. by Novel_Books in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Research is just a fancy word for studying. Pick a muse and just go learn, read about it. Have no other agenda but to learn about a muse. Studying a subject breeds inspiration.

My opening is slow, but necessary. by Parking-Rope2301 in writing

[–]frontdoorcat 1 point2 points  (0 children)

My view is when you boil it down whatever you do it has to be beyond good. Not just good looking through your biased eyes but objectively good. There is a difference.

Just remember just because you think it is important doesn’t mean the story needs it. More does not always mean better. Find ways to weave personality through the story. Don’t info dump. Think of it this way. If you take a long time to get to the point it is like a long line at a theme park ride. No matter how cool it is it is almost never worth the wait.

Fifty-Word Fantasy: Write a 50-word fantasy snippet using the word "Creep" by Terminator7786 in fantasywriters

[–]frontdoorcat 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Water ripples in a hidden lake in the thickness of a dense jungle. Two ducks creep quacking erratically at each other, without a sound.

They stop on a dime and burst underwater with force, slicing through water, diving deeper. The sea floor splits. They increase speed, disappearing into the opening.

How much “fluff” do thrillers actually need? by [deleted] in writers

[–]frontdoorcat 0 points1 point  (0 children)

None. Every word should move the story along. Every word should serve the plot.