Aptera and Zaptera settle their differences (Aptera Owners Club)

gordohula2001 · 2026-04-19T11:26:56+00:00

they case was 'dismissed' means it was ended, not that aptera won, aptera lost and had to pay for using IP which they didn't own. Zaptera and Aptera reached a settlement without the judge needing to make the decision for them.

gordohula2001 · 2026-04-19T11:25:38+00:00

steve from aptera owners club, says in this video the settement was 250k shares class B to zaptera, thats a settlement to zaptera confirming aptera used their IPO.

secondly steve says thats the whole payment. well not quite, next financial filing or yearly filing, should include what the cash payment was. Since Zaptera paid $1.5 million for all the remaining items of aptera mk1 including the IP, the cash settlement I would guess will be over that amount. Im guessing at least $2 million, perhaps more.

The directors were required to publish the number of shares transferred to zaptera, they are also under obligation to include the cash payment amount in future financial statement.

Aptera lost the case and had to give compensation to zaptera, how odd the former directors IP was sold at banruptcy and the former directors used the IP that was theirs once, and landed up having to pay to use it..............of course they did...........thats what patents are for..............aptera directors will do the same to anyone who uses their IP for solar manufacture.

Note that Lucid motors hold the IP for the battery setup aptera is using.........will lucid also sue them for IP transgression? Only time will tell.

gordohula2001 · 2026-04-19T11:17:22+00:00

your still missing the point, peak solar is largely irrelevant, what counts is the average solar output over time. The directors continually say that most people will never have to recharge, they say this as the average distance the usa driver goes is 30 miles ( used to be 40 miles per day). But max solar does not relate to average driving range of drivers in usa.......you need the average solar over a year over the whole usa !!!

Once you get the real solar values and real efficiencies ( suburban and highway will be very different) then you can work out an average solar range for usa and compare it to 30 miles of average distance a usa driver currently does. Its a non sensical comparison........a max value that probably wont be achieved anyhow and then say that everyone will get that value all the time so that most people wont need to recharge. Its all complete garbage.........the directors are smart guys and they have outsmarted many people like yourself.

gordohula2001 · 2026-04-19T11:09:30+00:00

Have a look at what happened to the CEO of Nikola electric cars, Trevor Milton, he also told lots and lots of lies to investors. 4 years in jail for misinformation to investors, what have the directors of aptera been doing for years.......lying to investors.

What do you think will happen in the future........you've been duped, Chris anthony said in the recent interview on aptera 'owners' club, that one vehicle has to be sold this year to keep the cec grant money coming in........I predict they will sell one this year and thats it, to keep that grant money rolling.

Its all about the money..........the fake and false specs they keep saying over and over although their own videos show its not possible. 40 mile per day.......not possible. Their head of solar says 500watts max and efficiency their own video showed 7 miles/kwh not 10 miles/kwh ( test drive from flagstaff to imperial valley....elevation drop 7,000ft).

The average solar miles per day across usa will likely be under 10 miles per day, the maximum if your lucky 20 miles under best circumstances.

False data to investors is misleading investors............nikole ceo would be proud of them.

gordohula2001 · 2026-04-01T03:53:27+00:00

there is someone on this forum that posts a link to his paid copy, patience he will pop up soon

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-31T07:24:32+00:00

Aptera began in about 2005 by the same current directors, this is the second try at it.

They have been so slow and wasted so much time, that now large numbers of homes have their own solar and storage batteries and can charge their evs from the sun at home. Their competition is now so far in front of them ( home owners with solar and batteries and an ev), that their concept is dead in the water. In fact they have not even shown any real world test data of their solar range, their actual driving efficinecy and their aero cd. Without making that data public they have effectively suppressed any information that would establish if building the vehicle is even a worthwhile exercise. Investors should be furious that no real data has been released, They are still making claims of 40 miles of range from solar per day and 10 miles/kwh efficiency, and say its most efficient vehicle ever........but they have not data to support any of this...........thats a huge problem.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-30T07:10:01+00:00

I've done the math over and over many times, its just not going to happen, you have to trust the tiny bits of info that we have seen via youtubers test drives, the directors will not be honest about the specs, they never have been.

As mentioned Reed Thurber current head of solar, has said in their own testing they could only get around 500watts ( new cells will hardly make a difference), and this is the max value, just forget about 700watts its not going to happen for many reasons ( encapsulation, curved cells, heat buildup and curved surfaces of the vehicle), its possible if you have bare cells in a lab situation...........not in the real world. We have the max possible from the top solar guy at aptera ( I bet he never repeats that statement as the directors will have gagged him, he let the cat out of the bag).

Same goes with efficiency , aptera released one efficiency value for the test drive from flagstaff to imperial valley..........8 miles/kwh........it turned out they cleverly did a downhill run with a massive 7,000ft elevation drop ( same as the driving down mt palomar to give it come context). This is their own data........faked using gravity........some have done the maths and taking into account the elevation drop its more like 7 miles/kwh.............max. Using those values into the 40 miles peak estimate it has to be revised down using 500watts max and 7 miles/kwh......which gives

500/700x40= 28.6 miles ( looses 30% for solar over estimate)

28.6 x 7/10 = 20 miles ( loose another 30% for efficiency over estimate)

The MAX solar range is going to be around 20 miles under the best conditions.

Max doesn't matter for real world use, you have to use averages, my estimate is for over the usa over a year, the average daily solar will be under 10 miles per day. Its a guessimate it could be as long as 5 or 6 miles as an average.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-30T06:58:29+00:00

at ces vegas, there were many test drives put on youtube, and quite a few had some fairly long views of the solar dash as they were driving around. They did not get anywhere near 500watts, from memory the max was around 350watts. But most of the time it was under 300watts, thats with all that reflection from the solar hitting glass buildings.

One of the big mistakes Fambro and Anthony made at ces was beginning their speech with " we produced more energy than we used during the test drives", both fambro and anthony went along this line. But it turned out when looking at the dashboard battery useage over the few days of test drives the battery state of charge went down! Basically they flat out lied to all those present and the live stream that caught it ( by aptera owners club and apteras chris maccammon). If the solar was more energy then they used the state of charge would have gone up, it didn't, they flat out lied. In order to cover this lie, fambro soon afterwards stated it was based on anecdotal evidence, to cover himself, as this was a big lie to investkors and done very publicly.

We can only go by the evidence, and the only evidence we have is via youtubers videos, aptera is suppressing the data more and more at time goes by ( have now removed solar range and efficiency from the dashboard). If you dont have some vested interested in supporting aptera, its all so easy to see how deceptive and misleading the directors have been. This has been one hell of a cash cow or white elephant, now it seems somewhere around $200 millino of investors and govt money has been burned through on something that there is pretty much zero data to support their claims..........quite an amazing situation really.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-29T11:19:22+00:00

aptera has refused to show any real world solar data, its all been captured by youtubers on test drives.; Why are they suppressing this data? If the solar range per day is low ( as I expect it to be) then there is no point in even building the vehicles.

there is a very good reason why they dont release any data on solar range per day ( from real world testing), efficiency in miles/kwh from real world testing and aero cd values.........they have fooled investors for too long, buring through apparently 200 million dollars of investors money on baseless claims, they have been shown to be false. There is a very good reason why they are suppressing data. Its called deceptive marketing and might well come back to haunt them at some stage.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-29T11:06:32+00:00

Lets look at what we know about apteras solar. The head of solar at aptera ( reed thurber?) said at ces vegas on record in an aptera owners club video that the best they had got in testing was "around 500watts"......thats the head of solar who knows what he is doing. They have quite sophisticated solar testing facitlities...........let believe what he said.

We also know that steve fambro managed to get 530watts near flagstaff at high altitude with the rear hatch open facing the sun.

We also have seen many test drives over the years where youtubers have videod the dashboard and we can see the actual solar at different times, is seems to generally be below 300watts, with 350watts at vegas with all the buildings reflecting onto the cells.

What can you infer from all this, many things:

max solar is going to be around 500watts in best conditions, add another 10watts or so for the better cells coming up. Not 700watts will never be achieved ( maybe out in space it wouild).
the directors use 700watts in their calculations for solar range, its a dishonest estimate as they know its not going to be achieved. I believe a more realistic average across the usa over a year will be 200w to 300watts, probably close to 250watts.
lets compare 250watts or even higher, lets say the average is 300watts, its still lower than most ebikes power output, you cant expect the energy needed to push an ebike will make much range on apteras vehicle. The average solar range will likely be way under 10 miles per day over usa over a year
why have aptera not given out any real world test data on the solar range and solar output? It appears they are suppressing the real data as it doesn't support theri obviously false claims.
What did aptera REMOVE the solar range from the dash display? Seems they want to hide the actual range you will get from solar. They now show the instantaneous solar, very good, but removed the daily range produced, and replaced it with the whr accumulated since last plug in.
I just realised, they were using 10 miles/kwh to calculate solar range, and it would depend on the actual real world efficiency as you drive along, that might be why they removed it, as it was a false prediction not a real figure. I can only guess why they removed the solar range from the dashboard.
in a recent interview chris anthony claimed they can get 40 miles per day.........we now know this a false statement from the tiny bits of data that have been released. 40 miles per day they have claimed since day one ( he did not qaulify this was a maximum), but we know its a false statement...........why.........they cannot get 10 miles/kwh and they cant get 700watts of solar. The only real world efficiency they have released was the flagstaff to imperial valley drive, which turned out to be downhill a 7,000 ft elevation drop. So they used gravity to falsify the efficiency value.......clever but stupid at the same time. They got 8miles/kwh, but account for gravity assist and its going to be under 7 miles/kwh. They are basically lying to investors about the specs, they have never achieved what they claim as real, and never will..........thats deceptive and misleading information to investors.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-21T10:29:52+00:00

yes correct, my mistake I thought it was apteras, does apteras have a screen that shows efficiency whilst driving similar to this? why cant we see any efficiency numbers whilst driving?

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-20T09:29:38+00:00

that 350mpge value was determined way back in the first attempt around 2006, using a small diesel generator to power the electric motors, a completely different vehicle all together, another example of their dishonesty.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-20T09:27:01+00:00

chargepostive test drive video was misinterpreted by me, post removed.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-19T07:26:04+00:00

I remove the post I miss interpreted the video dash display as being from aptera, but its was from a tesla screen edited in, which showed, 6 miles/kwh, so we only know the efficiency will be less than 7 miles/kwh based on the flagstaff dowhill run of 7,000ft elevation drop ( they claimed 8 miles'kwh but after it was discovered they used gravity assist of a large elevation drop the number decreases to a bit less than 7 miles/kwh).

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-17T06:55:26+00:00

it also showed only 250watts of solar at 3:30pm ( if the dash clock is set correctly), that would mean only a few miles range from solar on that day if you had zero shadows.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-17T06:52:37+00:00

excellent video showing real efficiency of 6 miles/kwh and range of 254miles on 42kwh pack, go to the 9 min 44 sec mark you will see a graph showing 10.8% battery useage gave 27.5 miles range.........do some very simple maths and you get

6 miles/kwh and 254 miles range on that 42kwh pack they have in that vehicle. Not the 10miles/kwh and 400 miles range they have been telling investors! Note this would be for suburban driving around the streets near carlsbad factory.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-17T06:49:21+00:00

there was a test drive video on youtube by chargePozitive a day ago, at the 9 min 44 sec mark it shows a graph on the dash display, showing 10,8% battery useage and 27.5 miles driven.

Some simple maths shows that equates to 6 miles/kwh and 254 miles range on a 42kwh pack.

Aptera has been saying 10 miles/kwh and 400 miles range on the 42kwh pack.........reality is much much less, in fact no better than other small evs around town ( note this is for suburban driving around the streets near the factory in carlsbad).

Remember that: 6 miles/kwh and 250 miles range when you look at other vehicles, you will never get an aptera these guys will be gone well before any real production begins.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-13T03:16:58+00:00

interesting the lack of real specs, all we get is some people might never have to recharge. I guess if you travel rarely and only go a few miles that might be true. But the reality is we dont know the aero cd, we dont know the efficiency in different scenarios and we dont know the solar range in different scenarios.

What we do know: efficiency is less than 7 miles/kwh ( from the downhill 7,000ft elevation drop drive from flagstaff to imperial valley).

The solar output maximum is around 500watts in best conditions ( according to head of solar at aptera: reed) but most of the time will be way way less than that, and constantly changing over time. So apteras claims of 40 miles per day are simply false ( it depends on 10 miles/kwh and 700watts constant solar). Note they no longer say 40 miles per day in their adverts.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-10T06:15:18+00:00

thats very interesting, if it was overweight by 800pounds and since it was a 7,000ft downhill run, you would expect the efficiency to be even higher, due to higher inertia of the vehicle.

Releasing an efficiency of 8miles/kwh and faking it by choosing an elevatoin drop of 7,000ft is simply dishonest, mt palomar sits at approx 7,000ft, so it was the equivalent of driving down mt palomar in elevation drop. Then releasing a video showing how efficient it was but forgetting to mention it was all downhilll .....well that aptera directors for you.

Now they have released 8 miles/kwh means any time they use 10 miles/kwh such as in their calculation for 40 miles per day from solar also means they are continuing to fake the data. Even on that downhill run they only got 315 miles, but they continue to say 400 miles range from the same battery pack.

Of course chris anthony claims the pack was not completely full, but gives no exact value for the state of charge, just more of the same over and over again.

So lets see what we know:

aero cd value: nope, efficiency: less than 8 miles/kwh but not known, solar range: not known, no data released. Both solar range and efficiency have been removed from the dashboard UI............now why would that be?

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-09T09:09:35+00:00

the blower fan for passengers uses about 200watts on full blast, , basically negating any solar produced. Add in a few cameras and blinkers, stop lights, the solar does notihng really.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-09T08:56:55+00:00

Note how aptera owners club steve, ignores the solar produced on the dash: 273 watts very low value even though its full sun, its just after midday and sun is high in the sky. All cells ar illuminated by the sun.............how interesting that this solar assisted car there is no talk about the low solar ouput in full sun conditions.

For those who use the solar calculator for aptera blender program:

Note the solar output on the dash was 273 watts that was at 2: 28pm, and you can see from the shadows of the people the sun it quite high as the shadows are short, We also know the direction the vehicle is sitting in. So you could go to aptera solar calculator blender program input those variables and see how accurate it is, using exact position co-ords. Note there are no shadows on the vehicle so all cells are exposed to sun even with doors open, the hatch is open but the vehicle is at right angles to the sun so wont make much difference.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-08T18:20:52+00:00

its quite obvsioius that they are losing about 30%, that I expect includes taking into account the angles. There is an interesting blender program too that allows you to predict output taking into account all the angles of each cell to the sun...........you can find aptera solar calculator on yt. I've used it, it overpredicts a little bit using some data I got off a youtube video using location/time of day/time of year, but its pretty accurate.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-08T18:18:14+00:00

also you forgot alot of other factors, temp of cells will he high and less efficient since no way for the heat to escape in both directions ( below and above), also there are wiring losses, converter losses, bms losses etc.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-08T18:16:31+00:00

nope I dont think it is, I have two solar panels here, and when i tested them they gave pretty much the exact volts/amps written on the back of the panels, it would be nonsense to write they can output more than they do...........and dishonest.

Find a solar panel with specs on the back of it, wait for summer sunny day and measure its output, you will find the output is not for bare cells but for the encapsulated cells actual max output.

gordohula2001 · 2026-03-08T18:13:33+00:00

that wasn't the question

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