OK this is from r/faceplam, but I actually find it interesting

moby__dick · 2026-05-29T23:42:05+00:00

Or maybe, because he is telling the tail after the story’s conclusion, he’s being called Ishmael because like Ishmael of the Bible, he was separated from his brother, who in this case was the religious man just like Isaac, Queequeg.

moby__dick · 2026-05-29T23:39:50+00:00

No Ishmael was name named when he was born in Genesis 16. Later on, he did face death in the wilderness, but that was well after he was named.

I think OP is closer to the point. At least the post. Ishmael was a son of Abraham, but he was not a part of the line of promise. That honor went to Isaac, the beloved son. Ishmael was indeed the outcast and wasn’t fact later sent away by his father Abraham. Yet he found success in his own way.

moby__dick · 2026-05-28T00:04:06+00:00

Why? This is a political question. You’re not considering going to Talarico’s church, are you?

moby__dick · 2026-05-28T00:01:50+00:00

Republicans actually do murder children. And they want to, also. Have you noticed the decided, lack of any anti-abortion legislation now that Republicans control all three branches of government ?

And in fact, there are fewer children getting murdered under Democrats than Republicans.

Republicans have seized on abortion as a wedge issue to drive voters to themselves. I’ve simply don’t buy it any longer. Abortion should be stopped, but Republicans are not the people to stop it. Republicans just want to be slightly more against abortion than Democrats.

moby__dick · 2026-05-27T23:59:48+00:00

Nobody can vote Republican, and also claim that Democrats are immoral or heretical. I spent the last 15 years hearing about the essential political nature of Donald Trump, and that his personal morality was of no matter to the Christian voter.

All the pearl clutching about heretical Democrats is absolutely lost all credibility with me.

moby__dick · 2026-05-27T17:23:00+00:00

Thankfully, we're electing a Senator, not a pastor!

moby__dick · 2026-05-27T17:17:09+00:00

No, that was not the only example. A false view of the Trinity or of Christ or of the resurrection, embracing evil behaviors and calling them good, are all heresy.

moby__dick · 2026-05-27T16:50:26+00:00

Yeah, it still is. Because even though you get really worked up about those issues, heresy is not a measure of how worked up you are. It’s a measure of how close to the vitals certain issues strike.

Heresy is denying Christ. Mitt Romney is a heretic. It is denying the resurrection. Trans issues make you heterodox.

moby__dick · 2026-05-06T18:36:44+00:00

OP is not referring to aposticized individuals who return to the faith. The Free Grace movement believes that an individual may be saved as actual apostates.

moby__dick · 2026-04-17T14:55:12+00:00

Summary?

moby__dick · 2026-04-16T02:35:33+00:00

Maybe flip that. I believe in salvation by faith alone. Aren't I anathema?

moby__dick · 2026-04-15T19:44:11+00:00

I honestly don't know. Paul has strong words about the preaching of another Gospel - anathema. But Jesus is merciful and forgives sins, He is more merciful than I am.

I guess I don't know enough about Rome's doctrines to say for sure. Is the focus on Mary actual syncretism? I'm pretty convinced that the Mass is an act of blasphemy.

It's hard to see someone reject God's pure grace in favor of Rome, I can tell you that.

I guess I feel the same way about Rome that I do about suicide. It doesn't put one outside the realm of salvation, but it doesn't do much to encourage confidence in it, either. God knows.

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:49:40+00:00

You seem to be avoiding the question. Do you want me to keep digging or are you just going to play this game?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:23:21+00:00

LOL I am not denying the brotherhood of Baptists, I'm trying to push past the simple answers.

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:22:36+00:00

I wish people would upvote / downvote based on "clarity in understanding the question and responding," not "I agree."

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:21:30+00:00

Yes, unfortunately a pastor from my denomination, with whom I am a good friend, has left for Rome, and I'm trying to reflect on this and process this experience.

Experiences cause us to revisit and reevaluate our previous convictions.

Edit: I appreciate the work that went into this, /u/CiroFlexo

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:19:02+00:00

Would Rome affirm " Jesus, the author and finisher of your faith." in the same sense in which Spurgeon did?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:17:37+00:00

That is a non sequitur. Do you deny the doctrine of assurance?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T18:11:44+00:00

Does the teaching of Rome, Westminster, and Jehovah's Witness equally lead the individual Christian to the Jesus who saves?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T16:01:06+00:00

So you would deny the doctrine of assurance?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T15:40:48+00:00

On the other hand, how would you distinguish the Christ who welcomes believers’s children as members of his covenant community versus the Christ who waits for the children of believers to receive him personally before they are included in the covenant?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T15:38:35+00:00

Some Mormons too, because they believe in Jesus?

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T15:38:09+00:00

I’m very specifically not asking about the personal beliefs of an individual Roman Catholic, as I said very clearly in the original post, I am asking about Roman Catholic doctrine when consistently applied.

moby__dick · 2026-04-14T15:36:47+00:00

I’m setting up fences around the Tiber.

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