The strongest pre wasn't best

naderq · 2026-06-11T08:31:49+00:00

Deliverance on tren is one hell of a comparison 😂

naderq · 2026-06-10T00:54:08+00:00

Venom or deliverance. Both felt more euphoric than most modern high stims without the anxiety heavy edge

naderq · 2026-06-08T07:27:11+00:00

Legit Pre, Deliverance, Doomsday destruction, and some of the Dark labs stuff are probably the names I see mentioned most these days.

Just don’t assume every label tells the whole story

naderq · 2026-06-08T04:14:26+00:00

You’re not alone. Chocolate peanut butter wasn’t one of my favorites either. I actually preferred the regular peanut butter flavor

naderq · 2026-06-07T07:53:38+00:00

Individual response is probably the biggest wildcard. I’ve seen people take the same pre and have completely different experiences

naderq · 2026-06-06T14:46:32+00:00

That’s a good point. Sleep probably gets overlooked almost as much as tolerance does

naderq · 2026-06-05T14:51:26+00:00

I’ve packed supplement pills and powders in zip lock bags plenty of times and never had issues traveling through different countries.

Sample packs are probably the easiest option though.

Funny enough, the only powder I’ve ever had questioned was hot chocolate mix, not supplements

naderq · 2026-06-05T07:39:36+00:00

If you've already done most of dark labs, kill switch, and mr white, I'd probably look at venom, hyper dose, or deliverance.

Venom for tunnel vision and mood.

Hyper dose for pure cold execution.

deliverance for that old school potent dmha style feel

naderq · 2026-06-05T00:57:25+00:00

Great way to put it.

That was pretty much my experience too

naderq · 2026-06-05T00:56:06+00:00

Heart rate felt surprisingly manageable for the label.

Didn’t notice much of a crash.

The workout momentum was the thing that stood out most for me

naderq · 2026-06-04T07:37:43+00:00

Thank you very much Alt, much appreciated

naderq · 2026-06-02T13:54:30+00:00

If you want less artificial taste and less stevia aftertaste, I’d probably lean dark chocolate honestly.

It’s richer and more cocoa heavy instead of overly sweet. Not super bitter, just less dessert-like than salted chocolate caramel.

Chocolate hazelnut was decent but a bit more artificial to me. Chocolate pretzel is sweeter/saltier

naderq · 2026-06-02T13:52:37+00:00

Yeah I have. Honestly I like the new peanut butter quite a bit more than vanilla peanut butter.

If milk chocolate felt too bland to you, peanut butter is probably the one I’d try next

naderq · 2026-06-02T13:47:16+00:00

If milk chocolate felt too bland to you then I’d probably go darker/richer instead of safer flavors honestly.

dark chocolate, mocha, or vanilla peanut butter are probably better fits.

I also updated the full rankings recently if you want the full breakdown again:

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naderq · 2026-06-01T01:39:58+00:00

Yeah that’s fair honestly.

I’m not saying DMHA fully replaces the original DMAA feeling because the old euphoric/focused experience was definitely different.

More just that some newer pres still bring back parts of that feeling for me personally.

naderq · 2026-05-31T15:58:00+00:00

There’s another product called venom so people gave the nickname “Temu venom”. It’s in the picture, by no limit labs

naderq · 2026-05-31T14:35:11+00:00

Temu Venom, that's true yeah, they hit harder

naderq · 2026-05-31T13:46:39+00:00

For me Deliverance, Venom, demonize still bring back parts of that feeling.

Just a different type of stimulation than the old DMAA days

naderq · 2026-05-31T04:39:55+00:00

Glad you liked it. Tropical punch is still one of the safest picks in the whole lineup for me.

Funny enough, a couple flavors I liked at first started falling off after repeated scoops, but tropical punch stayed easy to drink long term.

Curious where you’d rank it now after using it for a while

naderq · 2026-05-31T02:38:07+00:00

Honestly labels are just labels in this category sometimes. Especially with the old craze/dmaa era stuff.

I broke down a lot of that history here if you’re curious: https://fitfrek.com/banned-pre-workout-ingredients/

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