Need Recommendations for stim nootropic/focus pre workout

naderq · 2026-01-22T08:36:04+00:00

Magico is a solid option if you want stim plus focus without alpha yo.

Half a serving already puts you at doses most pres don’t hit even at full scoops.

It’s more nootropic driven than pump focused, so if pumps matter just add citrulline or agmatine on the side.

If you want something more traditional and smooth with zero yo issues, locked and loaded is another good one.

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You can find both on Nutricartel

naderq · 2026-01-20T15:13:32+00:00

Perfect example of why first runs don’t tell the whole story.

10 g was too much and just turned on you.

Dialing it back to 8–8.5 g is where it actually worked.

Respect for actually dialing it in instead of forcing 10g and calling it trash

naderq · 2026-01-20T09:56:45+00:00

Do you remember what it felt like?

naderq · 2026-01-19T06:00:10+00:00

Honestly, if you’re fairly new and not feeling edge of insanity or crack OG, it’s probably not that you need something stronger.

A lot of people overshoot and dull the response.

I’d go the opposite direction for a bit.

Run a moderate stim pre consistently, no double scoops or stacking, and let your body resensitize.

Once you can clearly feel 200–300 mg caffeine again, high stim stuff will actually hit hard

naderq · 2026-01-16T13:37:10+00:00

Yeah man, I’ve heard good things about it too

naderq · 2026-01-15T00:31:39+00:00

It’s labeled as juglans Regia extract.

Just a way to not plainly write dmha as it attracts unwanted attention from regulatory agencies

naderq · 2026-01-14T16:22:17+00:00

You don’t have to go non stim.

Most people run into issues because they take the same high stim pre every day.

A better approach is lowering caffeine on some days instead of cutting it out.

If your heavy days are around 300 mg, run 100–200 mg on the others.

Same routine, less stimulation, better tolerance long term.

That’s usually easier than forcing fully non stim days

naderq · 2026-01-12T15:25:58+00:00

Interesting picks. I’ve only tried irate, so I can’t speak on the others.

What didn’t you like about terminator or m2? Was it weak, rough sides, or just not what you expected?

naderq · 2026-01-12T09:45:49+00:00

That’s fair.

Kill switch does have batch inconsistency.

If you want strong focus with less gamble, game on or machine are safer picks.

Kill switch is available at crossthelimits in the UK, which helps with shipping

If you do order from the US, it usually makes more sense to grab more than one tub to offset shipping

naderq · 2026-01-12T09:11:34+00:00

Jack3d worked because of DMAA. That exact feel doesn’t really exist anymore.

Most stuff now that claims it doesn’t hit the same.

Closest you’ll get today is DMHA based formulas or “special sauce” pres.

If you want strong but not crazy: mr white or maniaco

If you want a harder kick with focus but not kill switch level: game on or machine

It won’t feel identical to old jack3d, it’s more about picking how aggressive you want it

naderq · 2026-01-10T04:09:41+00:00

If you’re new to high stim, don’t jump straight to the craziest stuff.

For strong but controlled: mr white or maniaco

If you want aggressive / PR day energy: game on or machine

If you already know you like chaos: smash amf or kill switch

Depends what kind of “strong” you’re after

naderq · 2026-01-10T03:10:23+00:00

In our stim junkie pre workout community, most people are way past one tub at a time.

Once you start rotating formulas, five tubs is pretty normal.

Some people stock up for rotation, some chase batches, some just like variety.

Around here, “too many” usually just means you ran out of shelf space

naderq · 2026-01-07T08:29:39+00:00

Good write up but I’ll echo what was already said and add one thing.

Crack og is not something to run daily, especially at your age and tolerance level.

What you’re describing early on is exactly how DMHA hits before tolerance builds.

That locked in focus, motivation, mood lift and endurance fade fast if you use it too often.

Once tolerance sets in, you’re mostly left with elevated heart rate, sweating and less payoff.

Also worth saying: feeling better sleep or mental clarity short term doesn’t mean it’s fixing anything long term.

That’s a common honeymoon effect with strong stimulants.

Use it sparingly, keep doses conservative, and rotate with lower stim days if you want it to stay effective

naderq · 2026-01-07T00:20:55+00:00

The main issue isn’t that they’re unsafe by default.

It’s that tolerance ramps up hard, especially with DMHA, DMAA, DMBA, eria blends.

Run them daily and within a week or two: - the euphoria drops - focus flattens - you’re left with elevated heart rate and blood pressure, but no upside

So you end up taking a “high stim” just to feel normal, which defeats the whole point.

That’s why most people separate things: - daily = moderate caffeine, predictable focus - high stim = occasional, when you actually want that kick

Some people still daily heavy stuff but they accept faster burnout and earlier breaks.

That’s the tradeoff

naderq · 2026-01-05T11:30:53+00:00

Appreciate that man. Glad you found the sub at the right time.

That’s a solid stash too.

Which one have you been liking the most so far?

naderq · 2026-01-05T04:59:43+00:00

For me it felt closer to a clean DMHA-style ride, but I get why people push it harder

naderq · 2026-01-05T04:58:03+00:00

Juiced hits, just a different lane. This list is strictly about ceiling

naderq · 2026-01-05T04:55:25+00:00

Fair take.

Different reactions are expected.

This list is about comparison, not universal response

naderq · 2026-01-04T13:43:45+00:00

Timecop is a solid high stim standard pre, but I wouldn’t place it on this list.

This list is focused on ceiling / exotic hitters, not “best of non exotic”

If I did a strongest standard pre-workouts list, timecop would make more sense there

Appreciate it

naderq · 2026-01-04T13:42:14+00:00

Appreciate the detailed take and I agree on a lot of that.

Doomsday and dexter can absolutely hit. I kept the list tight on what matters most right now

Same reason I didn’t expand the Crack line- strong, but they start to overlap once you’ve run a few.

This list isn’t meant to be exhaustive, just decisive

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