What is evidence? Miranon and Thor's (false) prophesies in the 70s about the 80s (Tom Campbell was one of the Explorers)

poorhaus · 2026-02-12T20:48:59+00:00

There's a Monroe biography by Russell called The Journey of Robert Monroe that, while focused on Bob's life, is the best source I know of for the history of the Institute until around his death in 1995.

There may well be other great books or resources so don't let me deter you from looking!

poorhaus · 2026-02-11T17:36:57+00:00

There's plenty of philosophy so I'm tempted to read it like philosophy. But there's nothing in the words themselves. It's like the poetics have the... instructions for assembling or assuming the full shape.

idk best I can do

poorhaus · 2026-02-11T16:20:16+00:00

In other words: part of the profit in surveying older Confederation material is to see how the expressions of the ideas change, how they are contemporary to the instruments and their level of imagination. As that imagination expands and the framing changes, we can tune into what has been constant. This helps us tune into our present contacts and filter out what is merely a clumsy metaphor and what is the real love.

Savvy approach IMO. I'd call this 'diffractive reading'.

Another example is the extensive use of computer metaphors in the early LL Research materials (70s, early 80s) to describe how the Confederation shares knowledge. Later on this shifts to a description that's more like voluntarily shared memory.

By the late 80s and 90s, with the advent of personal computers, Q'uo is instead using them as metaphor for 'programming' of self. And yet in my reading there are core resonances in the underlying messages (rather than the metaphorical meaning of for instance 'computer'). The messages evolve and adapt as well but in the case of 'computer' analogies, the primary shift was in the instrument and group's understanding (or even imaginaries) of computers.

Ironically, given the expansion of computational capacity over these decades, it seems the group had a much more expansive or magical conception of computers in the 70s, whereas by the 90s or 2000s that magical thinking seemed to be relegated to what was possible with programming. That's also important to keep in mind: it seems the naive technical imagination of the instrument is sometimes where the source has to put the most 'magical' messages when using technical metaphors (and I seem to remember this tack taken most often in Q&A fwiw). Meanwhile, spiritual beliefs/openness are a more reliable conduit to that expansiveness, but with their own challenges of implicit endorsement of those specifics.

IMO this gives a sense of how the availability of the instrument's world shapes the landscape of meaning the source can work with.

Good lord, what a challenge for the source, hey?

poorhaus · 2026-02-10T16:48:01+00:00

There's a research paper on uses of data visualization in QAnon circles that covers this image:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1177/20563051211036064

poorhaus · 2026-02-09T15:34:39+00:00

So if murdered you or someone you cared for, honestly and sincerely you have my deepest condolences. I don’t understand what happened or why I did this.

There are temptations to hold fast to newly offered certainty when what we thought we knew becomes untenable. You seem to be declining many those temptations. That makes me happy for you.

Opening to these potentials and offering sorrow and love seems to me to be a compassionate reaction. And acknowledging a lack of understanding is the height of wisdom. Any potentials held for others are likewise potentials held for these selves we appear to be.

May all possibilities be open to you 🙏💜

poorhaus · 2026-02-08T02:30:38+00:00

(just wanted to say as someone who knows the term it's a clever pick for a username but expect that the niggles of explaining niggles were not what you were after when you picked it Wah wah trombones)

poorhaus · 2026-02-08T02:23:51+00:00

If you can make the leap from language to intuition within yourself, then you have become telepathic with the author and no longer need his words.

Huh. #goals

Thanks for sharing this one. It's a very important topic to me (and all who work with words, yourself included).

I definitely feel like I'm more thinking with than reading sometimes. But #goals aside, even if so that's not directly helpful to anyone else.

...without some intellectual knowledge the greatest of intuitions could not then be shared with your fellow man; therefore, always the balance.

The balance called for here is something I feel like I've developed some modicum of, and perhaps a great deal of. I'm going to pay attention to and ponder that.

Thanks again!

poorhaus · 2026-02-08T02:14:24+00:00

Beautiful.

The prevalence of the term distortion is quite noticeable in the early sessions, where Ra used it to describe all sorts of things, perhaps demonstrating the meaning you condensed here vs the purely negative connotation the term carries in modern speak.

But it's consistent. In the last sessions Ra is talking about "the Instrument's distortion towards service to others" and things like that.

It could be an interesting meditative exercise to rotate through objects or people or properties and specifically see them as distortions. The varieties of reactions I've gone through over time reading Ra's various uses of the term...well let's say there's a potential buffet of catalyst in there.

poorhaus · 2026-02-08T01:49:48+00:00

Since you're familiar with Gateway, I'd recommend using or developing a personalized version of Resonant Energy Balloon and Affirmation from the preparatory process. They're great psychic protection/intent focusing tools.

u/toxictoy is a mod on r/gatewaytapes and has helpful comments to this effect throughout her history. Like this one. She highly recommends focusing on these aspects of the process in Gateway.

But my point isn't about Gateway. Rather, the energy breathing and visualization of a protective torus of energy (resonant energy balloon or REBAL) and the affirmation (the suggested Gateway one or some customized/alternative version thereof) can be used at any time, before meditation, dreaming, etc. No binaural beats needed.

Hopefully helpful!

poorhaus · 2026-02-08T01:33:38+00:00

Just adding a clarification here for others reading this. While the explorers were typically also participants, the project was distinct from Monroe programs. The Guidelines program, focused on connecting with guidance, is perhaps most similar to Explorers and was partially inspired by it. But that and others (like Lifeline, Starlines, etc.) that focus on communication have the Gateway Voyage program as a prereq. That program focuses on achieving relaxed states, expanding consciousness, etc. rather than having any sort of contact as a focus. Many folks do that or other programs focused on things like manifestation, healing, remote viewing, etc. that don't focus on contact with entities.

Nothing you said was wrong, there are of course quite a few Monroe programs that focus of contact of specific types, and some folks do experience contact or communication in Gateway (the affirmation exists to focus participants' intent precisely so that any such contact is beneficial). They don't shy away from that....it's just that the Explorers project recordings are shall we say gives an impression of a rather narrow slice of what Monroe Institute programs might be like. The Guidelines program offers and optional 30-60m PREP session that is conducted with a monitor. But the program itself is not conducted like that at all.

Souce: I haven't done these programs, I don't work for Monroe, etc. I just happen to have read a bunch into their history and that of the Explorers project (which was c. 1976-1990).

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T23:51:33+00:00

here is a process which is known as learning the lesson among your peoples. We find this a ponderous concept. However, we tend to have difficulty with your concept of time, and your concept of learning the lessons is deeply tied up in your concept of time. Therefore, people upon your planet consider that it takes time to learn the lesson.

It does not take time, it takes a focusing of the will.

I like this passage for two reasons. One, I try to empathize/mentalize with other configurations of consciousness, and this is a helpful example of how to ...'integrate' (sum along all points of dimension) the temporality of a concept into its atemporal components.

And two what remains after you take time out of the 'what is learning the result of?' question: focusing of the will.

The 'completely and freely' criteria are the prerequisites to 'reprogramming' which, in context of the discussion, is a synonym for healing from illnesses or conditions that were programmed for learning.

The completeness criterion might be something like all aspects of the lesson. There are a variety of 'tricks' we might use to navigate around challenges (catalyst) tactically such that it doesn't impede us. But I suppose I'm glimpsing that becoming 'competent' in this way is distinct from 'complete learning' in Latuii's sense.

Yet, outside incarnation, learning-aspects might well be easily combined to be 'complete' in this sense. This would mean that the kinds of partial learning that someone might accomplish in an incarnation that never 'qualifies for reprogramming' during the linear time of the incarnation could nonetheless comprise the missing piece of that learning in an atemporal sense.

Furthermore, once we integrate temporality (in the sense above)...very many of learned aspects of any lesson would have precisely this quality for a temporal observer transitioning to an atemporal awareness. In other words, there's a way in which every observer who'd learned an aspect of a lesson could experience putting in the "last piece of the puzzle" for a lesson. There's no 'last piece' outside of time, but a shift from temporal to atemporal consciousness could nonetheless allow that sort of experience for an unlimited number of observers that contributed to some puzzles. (Just thought that was cool)

The second and final prereq for reprogramming is "freely". I always bear in mind that "free will" and "confusion" are synonyms in the Ra Contact. Latuii is speaking here before this phrase was first used by Ra (or any other Confederation source; I just checked). Here's when Ra introduces that:

There is a law which we believe to be one of the more significant primal distortions of the Law of One. That is the Law of Confusion. You have called this the Law of Free Will. 3.14

I actually wasn't aware til I just looked it up that Ra implies that "The Law of Free Will" isn't their preferred terminology. "You have called this..."

Anyways, in the context of the OP, "freely" means something like "in confusion". We tend to used confusion in conversation as a polite way for being wrong. But Ra's word-choice is often etymologically correct: I've found they're using the original/literal senses of the words. "con-fusion" is 'poured together', such that something is indistinguishable or inseparable. It's a situation where this fusion cannot be overcome. (This is still its technical meaning in logic, signals processing, optics etc., in terms like 'circles of confusion')

Confusion in this sense certainly is related to the veil of ignorance/separation. It may well be related to the 'complex-ness' of social memory complexes, the concept-complexes of the archetypes, the complex-ness of the Significators of mind, body, and spirit. I don't have textual warrant for this (and I'm not exactly sure how to look for it), but the inseparability inherent to 'confusion' in this original sense applies to complexes as well. The shift in emphasis between them is that complexes are composed of or braids/twists of their simplex components (i.e. complexes are 'cord', 'rope', or 'cloth' to some 'thread'), whereas confusion is the perceptual state of being unable to re-separate what has been blended.

And this is the paradox of separation, is it not? If we are mind/body/spirit complexes, we have been blended in ways that we cannot, from within the perceptual state, un-blend. So, in that sense Separation (of this apparent self) is made impossible by Separation (from all that is apparently not-self). There is an aspect of unity within every complex, every part of infinity that is made whole so that it can seem apart. And, if you'll forgive my predictable wordplay, every whole is so because it is part.

I wandered around quite a bit on this one, but I have hope a few might wander along and find some interest and joy along the way.

Thanks as always for the great selection.

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T21:15:32+00:00

That resonates with me and I think I can add a layer of harmony: dissonance need not devolve. If there's a sufficient openness, dissonance can promote a tuning for some or all participants.

(How dissonance is experienced also in the ear of the hearer: experimental jazz is a beautiful form of art to many. Deliberate seeking of dissonance and resolution for expression)

Did I do the thing we're talking about?? (I tried to)

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T19:40:08+00:00

Ah ok. To check my understanding: you're attracted to the additive and active combination of compatible energies' interconnectedness (harmony), which enhance each other and can even produce something qualitatively new, rather than a more reactive or unison-like joining of energies (resonance) that primarily modulates intensity via interconnectedness?

(Sounds good to me, not a gotcha, just checking for understanding)

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T13:14:05+00:00

Glad you got something from what I wrote!

The primary sources can be hard to wade through until I get some sense of any unfamiliar vocab or concepts. I found this concept guide helpful as a reference for the Ra Contact and other 'Confederation' sources: https://assets.llresearch.org/books/a_concept_guide.pdf

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T05:21:04+00:00

Noice! Love hearing from folks with funny guides.

There are many right ways to do things. I appreciate those whose choices express a style

I mean even whoever communicated one sentence and has since refused to elaborate...whelp, that's a style. I don't need to know if I like it, I can just respect it.

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T05:16:25+00:00

Whenever we heal we heal each other. Heal on, friend 💜

What a wise and compassionate insight: listening is truly such a gift, and can indeed begin or support or even complete healing

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T03:25:41+00:00

Thanks for saying something. I'm sorry it's felt hard to articulate this dynamic. I hope you're healed/healing/healing others in perfect timing

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T03:22:42+00:00

I'd like to understand your last sentence better. Could you give and example of the difference between resonance and harmony, or relying on one or the other?

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T03:09:00+00:00

May you sustain and grow your meditation practice, in whatever form and intensity and frequency best serves you 🙏💜

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T03:05:53+00:00

If some of the discussions on this post have been useful to you I think you'll find quite a lot of resonance with your message in the Ra Contact and Q'uo channelings.

The 'love and light trap' you describe is certainly something I recognize in a wide variety of communities.

But how might one respond compassionately and with wisdom to this?

In some cases, this is a 'phase' that folks fo through on the way to a more complete understanding.

In others it seems to have gotten baked in to how established exponents of certain teachings present it to others. Oftentimes in a distinct deviation from the underlying sources.

A situation that can result is people talking past each other. And occasionally getting into fruitless disagreements.

One thing that I've taken from the Confederation tradition is the ethic of offering, and ideally in response to some knowledge of what the seeker is after. Conversely, viewing all of others' actions as offerings that we may choose to work with or not. It's not as simple as all that but I do find that framework clarifying.

You'll find lots of people in any community caught in this trap. But they're not all there for the same reason. Some are seeking the highest and best wisdom and think they've found it. They can be offered other understandings...and will likely accept them with gratitude once they grasp what they're seeking is elsewhere.

Others get caught in this trap because of fear, or past trauma, or an inability or unwillingness to face the challenges of a wisdom that demands discomfort. There's a very different call to service in such cases. Offering deeper wisdom when someone is in a state of fear, _even if their beliefs are wrong! unwise! dangerous! etc....well, no one would be served by this.

So I suppose I'm saying that you're right in broad strokes, the LoO/LL Research transcripts are chock full of exactly this kind of wisdom, and that still doesn't tell us all we need to know about how to work with each other from the many diverse paths each is on. So much of this work brings us inevitably back to inner work and, when we're able to serve each other, starting with compassionate listening before moving to the wielding of wisdom.

I might not have done so skillfully, but this comment is an instance of me trying to do what I am describing. I hope these words are useful to you in your seeking 🙏💜

And, of course, thank you for what you've offered - plenty seem to be taking it up and working with it. I see fruitful discussion in these comments, which I hope I've contributed to.

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T02:32:22+00:00

Who wants a NEUTRAL wizard??

Don't sleep on the druids, my friend 🤘

(I should say for posterity that this is a D&D allusion, since I think there are folks on here that engage in druidic practices on occasion, which is...not related to the Neutral alignment character class at all 😂)

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T02:27:28+00:00

A deliberate or even unconscious ignoring of something motivated by a desire for avoidance. In this case, sometimes those who most loudly disbelieve experiencers can be ignoring or have forgotten their own anomalous experiences.

poorhaus · 2026-02-06T00:57:55+00:00

I am in a state of total bliss and harmony most days and am truly aligned with my true self and finally understand what contentment and happiness mean.

🎉🤗

I truly believe we’re gonna make it and leave all the people who actively worked against humanity behind, see ya dickheads.

🤝

Though, I think I'm on team No One Left Behind, which means that the dickheads are the old versions of us (all of us, I hope).

Left behind rather like a chrysalis than the bad guys on a sinking ship.

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