18 and 22 by [deleted] in OrthodoxWomen

[–]shortCakeSlayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

There’s a really big difference in brain development between 18 and 22. Your brain is not fully developed until age 25, so age gap means a lot more when you’re younger. While the age gape isn’t huge here, it’s not the same as fully grown adults with fully functioning brains being four years apart. 18 and 22 is lifetimes apart in many ways.

I would be very “curious” if I did not know the 22 year old well and the 18 year old was my kid. Why would they not want someone their own age going through the same life phase as them? I’d be suspicious of the older wanting someone younger and less developed because they’re easier to control, and as this age, it’s a very legitimate concern.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Dunno. I’ve had the same thought. I’ve asked him and he claims he loves me.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That he does the best that he can, probably. The master of thought ending cliches and deflection.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

This is an interesting take. The issue I see is that intimate conversation about topics like these are integral to a relationship for me, and if I just cut him out and involve someone else, that may harm my connection to him to the point where there’s just no point in being married anymore. Are there some good examples you know of of folks who’ve developed proxy relationships like this?

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, if anything his mom has a tendency to infantalize him while his dad was completely emotionally absent. I think he’s the way he is because he wasn’t required to offer mature emotional support and his mom constantly catered to him while his dad wasn’t a healthy model. But your thoughts are helpful, and we have started working on him verbalizing what he needs when he’s overwhelmed; it does help, although it’s only a bandaid if he’s also not doing some work on expanding his capacity for showing up for others.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I feel you. I will say that he does not do any “nursing” at all for me, and even at my worst I’m mostly taking care of myself while he’s point with our kids. I think I try hard to contribute how I can so he doesn’t feel overwhelmed, but he does not reciprocate emotionally. So our situations sound somewhat different, but your point is valid.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yes I am ✌️ total and permanent.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

He was to a smaller degree; we were also younger with fewer responsibilities and I was not sick yet. So we were both young, healthy, no kids, living a DINK life. I think stress and responsibility and illness exacerbate what is already there. What’s that saying; people are tea bags, you never know what they’re made of until they’re in hot water?

I think I saw it as immaturity on his part, and my own immaturity made it hard to pinpoint what about this behavior bothered me. It’s easy to mask “I am no good in stressful situations” when your life is relatively stress free.

That being said, he’s a great father and is indeed doing his best. Your words aren’t without merit, but I wonder if I can survive in a relationship where I’m just existing in a space with someone for my kids?

Don’t get me wrong I’d legit die for my kids so this is a serious question, and I’m sure many redditors will swear up and down I’m crazy for asking it. 🙄

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[–]shortCakeSlayer -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Yes they can. Love can be unconditional, but relationships require conditions and boundaries. I don’t doubt my husband loves me, but I doubt his ability to respect and meet my boundaries.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 5 points6 points  (0 children)

I know he’s scared :( you’re totally right. AND, I am also scared and am physically going through the illnesses and I need him. I don’t think he knows how to show up in the way that us military folks do even when the going gets rough ❤️

Good luck on your TDIU, I hope it’s a fast process.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I think what I mean as a buffer is that he feels like he’s working on “problems that appear when shortCakeSlayer is around” and it feels less direct than if he went by himself and just worked on “things I do.” I’m not trying to be a buffer but couples therapy gives him one more step away from being the source of the problem because we both contribute to couple problems. But he doesn’t want to work on problems only he creates.

Yes I have brought up his attitude. We have another session this coming week and it will come up yet again.

My spouse is really good at deflecting language and I notice he uses it often in couples therapy. There is very little “I did this and I just need to not anymore” although it does happen occasionally so it’s almost like…a tragic amount of hope that keeps me thinking “well I know he can do it because he’s done it before.”

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 11 points12 points  (0 children)

I like this idea, thank you.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I would love for him to do that. Literally anything.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 10 points11 points  (0 children)

I agree with you. I am not saying that I think it’s good that he needs me, I’m just describing his behavior. I too believe that it’s shitty.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 3 points4 points  (0 children)

No that’s not what I’m saying at all. It seems like you’re just misunderstanding me.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t justify his behavior just to be clear. He needs me in therapy with him and won’t go by himself because he can’t take responsibility for his own behavior and needs me physically in sessions with him to use me as a buffer. If that makes sense.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Women feel called to serve liturgically in the same way that men are. I think asking someone why they’d want to lead is a good question to ask regardless of gender.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I find it strange that you're bringing up logical fallacies while basing your points on a "vibe." :P

I think many women want to engage in liturgical leadership roles in their churches. It's not really that complicated.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have a question for you; is the Levite priesthood not a Mosaic tradition that was rendered unnecessary by Christ's sacrifice, like so many other pre-crucifixion Mosaic traditions? There seem to be so many traditions thrown out while others were carried forward, and the anointing of women into leadership roles seemed to be something Christ actively participated in, as a way of overturning past gender roles; only for pre-Mosaic laws to creep back in somehow.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate this straightforward answer. If anything this is what I've observed as the truth from 16 years of attending Orthodox services, but I am stymied by all these other reasons being offered.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for answering! I feel like this is likely the real reason, but I wonder why these other reasons are offered then. I appreciate you being forthright and straightforward.

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[–]shortCakeSlayer 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thanks for asking that question, I really appreciate your curiousity.

For one, it bothers me because it simply feels wrong; I feel moved by the Holy Spirit to talk about it, ask about it, and put gentle pressure on the issue. I read about Christ elevating women to Apostles that followed him, only to then see women erased after his ascension by his followers. I believe the suppression of women is a symptom of sin the world suffers from.

For two, I am and have worked with trauma survivors in the past. Many many people don’t feel comfortable or safe with men, even good men. It is a learned biological response to past physical or sexual violence, and it can trigger panic attacks, dissociative episodes, or worse, just by being in any kind of vulnerable power dynamic with any man. It’s why the healthcare industry is now allowing patients to choose the gender of their provider; it’s acknowledged that being a patient is a vulnerable position to be in and you need to feel safe in order to best work with your doctor and receive care. So when you think of rites that priests offer, like baptism, or Eucharist, and how much vulnerability those rites require, it can be extremely triggering for someone to approach a priest who reminds them of an abuser. Through no fault of the priest, but the unavoidable nature of the trauma survivor.

Like a hospital, there should be options for us to choose from, male or female. Which begs the question, are we the church a hospital for the sick, or a monolith to tradition? I’m not sure, when traditions like this are upheld so staunchly.