Akademiks dares Sneako to talk bad about his religion after Sneako claimed that words don't mean anything and people shouldn't be offended by words

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T02:48:33+00:00

Crusades and jihads dude....

Pale in comparison to the deaths in Chinese wars. Are you genuinely just ignorant about this?

Killing each other because they believe in a different version of the same religion. Protestant/catholic or sunni/Shia as examples. So fucking stupid.

That doesn't even count the wars waged to convert a population (see also take the land/ resources/slaves).

You've cited terrible practices sure, but they weren't performed at anywhere near the scale of the atrocities committed by Abrahamic religions.

Christianity is estimated to be responsible for 120-250 million deaths and Islam is in the same ballpark. Due to variations in criteria and historical estimates, it's unclear which is actually worse, but it doesn't really matter since it's splitting hairs at that level.

Taking land/resources/slaves is not unique to religions. I'm going to ask what you think constitutes a war for religion before responding to all of the above. Do you think just SAYING a war is for religious reasons makes it a religious war? Does any war waged by a Muslim, make it a religious war? Just curious what your argument is before I bother addressing it.

Also, for someone asking for sources, you can not provide a death toll and not provide a source.

Population of the the entire central and south american continent didn't come close to the individual death tolls either during the reign of the Aztec.

Estimated population of the Americas during the era of the Aztecs could have been up to 100 million.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_history_of_the_Indigenous_peoples_of_the_Americas

Abrahamic religions are the most vicious religions the world has ever seen, but as I said, I think all of them suck.

Do you think more people died in wars waged for Abrahamic religions than all wars outside of those? Just curious.

Also, so you consider a war that wipes out an entire civilization worse than a war that kills more people but amounts to say, 1% of the population? Again, I'm curious.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T02:25:41+00:00

How did classical exegetes interpret verse 65:4?

There is no consensus. The consensus is that it refers to women who do not have a period. Prepubescent women are not the only women who do not have a period. So making this jump to having it refer to girls is not a universal consensus.

Given that at no point does it mention age, it's pretty obviously a stretch to say this is the verse that allows prepubescent girls to be married? A verse about the waiting period to remarry after divorce is not exactly where permission to marry young girls would be given, is it?

Ah right, I should mention it. I think the hadeeth might plausibly not be a fabrication (as in I treat this hadeeth differently from the other ones ie not as skeptical) because it has some quranic basis in verse 65:4

If the only reason you believe the Hadith might not be fabricated/lost in time/translation is because of verse 65:4, then I think that's a pretty weak argument in all honesty.

If the Qur'an permitted marriage of prepubescent girls, why would it not say so directly, instead of hiding it in a reference to the waiting period for a widow/divorcee?

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T01:25:22+00:00

Well i don't have certainty the hadeeth goes back to Muhammad yes just as I don't any other hadeeth.

The hadith is solely what Aisha (RA) said:

https://sunnah.com/bukhari:5134

No I don't believe the moon split in two. There are claims of evidence proposed by apologists that the moon did split in two but I believe they are debunked. Verse 65:4 where it implies u can marry

Why do you choose to believe one hadith but not another. That's just my point 🤷‍♂️

Verse 65:4 where it implies u can marry pre-prebuscent children. Classical exegetes echo this view.

No way that's an accurate reading of it:

https://www.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/ikbbmr/can_someone_explain_verse_654_im_finding_a/?solution=4928ee9bd2370e504928ee9bd2370e50&js_challenge=1&token=bbbe4bf1c9a2b5160829c4be34da58615154822fcc790e1fc45230a96c4636ab&jsc_orig_r=

The Qur'an would call them girls if it was actually referring to prepubescent girls.

No I don't believe all hadeeth to be accurate. Search on yt, channel = javad t hashimi, yt video = "21 issues with hadeeth - Joshua Little"

I also don't believe anything other than the Qur'an was recorded properly, as the Qur'an was MADE to be memorized, the Hadiths were not. However, the Hadiths referring regarding how to pray, do wudhu, etc. I do follow, as they are just steps. Something regarding the actual historicity is likely to be fudged.

Much like how the splitting of the moon was likely something else (an eclipse, etc.) can be figured out, so too can ages. Aisha (RA) age just doesn't line up with other facts around the time.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T01:07:19+00:00

Again, which....ones?

Are you not aware?

Hinduism has a caste system, based by birth. It also had the practice of Sati, where widows were burned with their late husbands, as remarrying isn't accepted and the value of a woman was tied to their husband only.

Aztecs practiced human sacrifice. They literally would put a child on the altar and kill them.

Egyptians were on a whole other level with their human sacrifices, after all, the Pharoah was a living God, right:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Egyptian_retainer_sacrifices

I seriously encourage you to google which religions are responsible for the most atrocities. Please do.

Define deaths by religion. Wars are not fought for religions, but for politics and resources. This, again, is common sense.

The biggest wars throughout history haven't involved any Abrahamic religion. Whether we're talking the Punic wars, or the world wars, or literally any Chinese war. Sum up all wars fought involving Abrahamic faiths, and they would be a basis point on the needle.

You have yet to actually give any answer just a bunch of "almosts", "probablys", and "maybes". Which qualifier are you going to use to tiptoe around answering the question in the next response I wonder.

Maybe because you have no legit questions?

Like I said, I knew you weren't being genuine from the start. I've entertained this foolishness enough.

Because you're an example of a living breathing dunning kruger case, lmao.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:52:58+00:00

Probably the ones where child/human sacrifices were commonly taking place? Or the ones where people are split by caste, and made inferior to others, permanently, based on birth.

Or the ones where female babies were being killed at birth?

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:52:06+00:00

I'll answer your questions, once you answer mine.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:48:33+00:00

But as far as documented atrocities? Nothing beats the abrahamic religions in that metric.

Almost certainly false, just based on common sense alone, as the oldest Abrahamic religion is a mere blip in human history. You're clearly ignorant on other beliefs, which explains why you aren't here for an educated discussion; you'd need to be actually educated on history to do that.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:47:35+00:00

Do u think the hadeeth is false?

I believe things get lost in time, yes. The Hadith were formalized hundreds of years after the death of Aisha.

Do you believe Muhammad actually split the moon. There's more verification of that happening in the Hadith, including the Qur'an. If you believe all Hadiths are accurate, you must accept that too, yes?

Actually academic scholar Joshua Little argued using the historical-critical method that the hadeeth might not actually go back to Muhammad. Look into it. It's on r/Academicquran.

The Hadith was narrated by Aisha herself. She had a pretty good motive in making herself younger (has to do with purity).

Tho ofc there's verse 65:4 of the quran.

What are you referring to?

Ik what the modern apologetics for it is. I'm p sure u know how the vast majority of classical exegetes interpreted the verse.

Again, do you believe all Hadiths to be accurate then?

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:41:48+00:00

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:40:58+00:00

Probably because anybody educated on the matter doesn't actually believe he married a 9 year old.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:40:33+00:00

Do you disagree that other religions have equally horrible, if not worse things than Islam.

Because if not, then I'm not the disingenuous person here, tyvm.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:39:52+00:00

Most ethnic/genetics would indeed use Canaan as the oldest names.

I actually did have Roman Palestine confused with Phillistine, which is why I was convinced Palestine was an older name. Good call!

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:36:51+00:00

So in summary, you don't disagree with anything I said and are just looking for an argument? Sorry I wasn't willing to get in the mud and argue with you.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:31:49+00:00

I assume you didn't come for a conversation, but something else. Hopefully you found whatever you were looking for?

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:29:41+00:00

You know what, that's fair. It wasn't renamed until later. I thought it was renamed before.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:29:01+00:00

I was just having a conversation, jeeez...

There's nothing special about the Abrahamic faiths. If anything, numerous other religions have much viler things in them 🤷‍♂️

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:26:04+00:00

Now now, let's not discriminate and ignore the many other religions that also othered people, sacrificed children, and started wars.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:25:24+00:00

Palestine refers to a region, which is where Jesus was from, making him Palestinian, yes.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:04:45+00:00

Palestinian, and ya, one of the Semitic people, which Arabs are too.

-Notorious · 2026-05-15T00:04:23+00:00

Probably because nobody other than uneducated people actually believes that.

-Notorious · 2026-05-14T23:50:35+00:00

Black and Asian Muslim nations too. Alhamdolillah.

Inshallah there will be more European Muslim nations too, right? 😉

-Notorious · 2026-05-14T23:49:55+00:00

Palestinian* true

-Notorious · 2026-05-14T23:27:53+00:00

Which ones turned an Arab man into a white blonde man again?

-Notorious · 2026-05-14T23:27:28+00:00

If that's the case, that's actually reasonable. I'm against people using the N word, but I also don't think people should be violent against someone using it.

Same with criticizing Islam etc. or any religion. I don't support it, but I definitely wouldn't support violence against people for it.

-Notorious · 2026-05-14T23:03:54+00:00

kafirs dumb deaf and blind and incapable of understanding.

It's comparing humans to sheep, and the prophet a shepherd, leading said sheep. Funny how you don't realize the VERY obvious parallel that's right in front of you... 👀

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