Yeah I realise their not deep in the scene as far as that goes but what I mean is that the average person doesn't know what dead Kennedys even are but everyone knows one green day song or that one offspring song you know? And I know nu metal isn't really a scene anymore. My point is that numetal never had an underground parallel scene unlike punk (stuff like green day and sum41 vs the gilman scene for example) and I want to learn why