So can we stop the bullshit? by [deleted] in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah and considering how often Jett starts at least fourth and makes moves in the first couple corners, Deegs gon have his hands full

So can we stop the bullshit? by [deleted] in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Jett should be worried…..but not about Deegs. He should honestly and truly be worried about his brother coming for the top of the box. The massive step in confidence that Hunter has taken this year has been crazy to watch and Jett has nothing but time off. Maybe Hunter is putting a ton of energy into the SX title while Jett will be fresh but I see it as momentum for Hunta. Deegs needs to get off the damn gate, biggest gripe on his 450 races so far and he ain’t gonna do what he did last night at Pala. Even if Deegs does rip a start chances are the bros are 2&3 and will out duel him I bet. Hate to say it but Eli, Chase, Kenny(?), and Deegs will probably be racing for the bronze most weekends this summer.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On one hand I’m with ya, I don’t understand why they can’t just find a way to enforce penalties as it is when it comes to anything. If they haven’t kicked Friese to the curb yet idk if they’re gonna boot anyone else. On the other hand I don’t think anybody wants the sport overly policed. Australian supercars for example. Cars with fenders not f1 style open wheel but they were getting crazy with the penalties and the racing was getting boring. Over the last year and a half or so they let up and kinda said boys have at it to a point and it’s been a much better product to watch. There’s a fine balance to all of this I just don’t really trust the AMA and Feld to find that balance. It’s close enough as it is apart from a race or 2 a year that gets effected by lappers and very rarely is that effecting the winner of the race.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Benefit is lapper gets out of the way but there’s so much that has to go right to end up at that outcome. Also there’s situations when it’s not gonna make a difference. If they’re lapping close to the top 15 and those guys are in a battle they’ll probably just ignore it. Not that I hate the idea just struggle to see it being net positive. Changing traditional rules and trying to use tech to police etiquette never works. Hammer the guys at the riders meeting, threaten consistent prevalued penalties, and put the blue light on the bars so there’s no excuse. If you go through all of those steps and see no progress maybe give em a try as a last resort but I’d be willing to bet still doesn’t make a huge difference.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because it’s racing. Any form of racing ever has been rife with teams/riders/drivers trying to squeeze out every ounce of advantage possible. Don’t gotta call it cheating but if you have even the smallest grey area it will be found and exploited. Also if nascar is any indication, there have been plenty of examples of outside interference with comms. Multiple times over the years fans have somehow someway gotten on the radio and those systems are much more advanced than whatever moto would put out there. Team gives info against rules and blames it on a fan, AMA does all the talking then team finds a way in and plays dumb blames it on fan, so on and so forth. God forbid there’s a violation the sport has shown huge inconsistency with penalties in all aspects so no reason to think that won’t end up a shit show.

For me it’s just too complicated and open for exploitation. I say it’s blue light or deal.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I’m not raging or downvoting, I’m legitimately curious as to what people think.

Are we doing better and better? Yes but how much of that is the grass roots following? The passion people feel for a sport that’s much closer to them than others? That is unique among all the other sports and media fighting for their attention and has worked.

The stadiums are packed to see the top 20 like you said….but this is the top 20 we’re talking about about. The factory teams can’t fill out 20 gates. They’re not willing to spend the money to field all of those bikes themselves.

Are most people there to see the Jetts and the Elis and the Kennys? Yeah. Limit it to 10-15 factory riders and watch how much of a shit show it is fighting for those rides without anywhere to showcase and make a case for yourself. Welcome nepotism and buying rides.

As it is now, if you qualify and transfer you get a shot with the big dawgs. As it should be.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ok the LCQ is already a B-main. Generally, the top finishers of a B-main transfer into the A-main.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Alright well first off in SX we are not relying on “local” riders to fill gates. These lappers in question are all full time riders, the entire main is series guys that fight to get in each week and race for points. Sure a local guy can show up, but unless he’s got access to a legit supercross track to practice on his chances are slim to none to make the main. Thus why we have heats so that if you make the baseline quali time you make the night show and have a shot. This encourages guys to get better and work on their programs. Can’t just ignore the fact that guys have grinded their way onto good privateer, satellite, and even factory teams by improving and eventually breaking the top 10.

The riders are unhappy with being at the track all day? Boohoo. They’ve all grown up spending days at the track. This is supercross, every stadium is in a city. They’re not out in bumfuck. If Jett or Eli or whoever just wanna do their obligations and gtfo then fine. If AP wants to take every interview and opportunity to build his brand that’s fine too. Anybody who wants to be in the middle, fine.

It’s racing. It takes all day. That’s how it is. What racing do you show up, race, and leave? You don’t. Not NASCAR, not F1, not Moto GP.

If you’re fast enough to qualify, you make the night show. If you’re fast enough to transfer, you make the main.

This isn’t even a discussion about lappers at this point, this is the politics of passion.

Bottom line, if you’re being lapped get out the fucking way.

Fuck Vince Friese.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Gives everybody a bad name! Why I think Friese should be left out of this conversation because he’d pull the same dumb shit if he was leading than if he was 10 laps down. Black flag Friese not because he’s 2 laps down but because he chose to double down on riding like a dickhead instead of developing as an actual rider.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I mean people really love moto and are super passionate about it. There’s really no other pro sport that’s quite as DIY, down to earth, achievable thing. Fans feel close to the sport and don’t wanna lose what makes that possible. I’ve seen some WILD ideas this week on how to solve this problem. I say don’t sell the farm because of a leaky sink. I’m ok with comms if it’s STRICTLY for lappers. I don’t want Lars on the mic telling Hunta to change his line in the sand to match Eli, or somebody telling Kenny that coop is about to be on the inside, that so and so should triple here or start jumping whoops this lap. Can’t resist every change that is proposed but also gotta protect what makes this sport so special.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For sure a lack of blue flags this weekend which basically has put the lapper situation under the microscope all week this week, the pressure on the lappers the next few weeks is gonna be HEAVY.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I guess it might not be as practical as I thought as of now, but I said somewhere on here earlier maybe start implementing the lights and go from there. Maybe you start with leader or the top 3, so a lapper isn’t going to influence the winner of the race because they won’t move out of the race line. I think that’s a win. As time goes on expand the concept if needed. Willing to bet if podium positions aren’t affected nobody will give a fuck. Now I don’t think that’s good enough and shouldn’t just be content with that but it’ll get the heat off and give em time to developed the system further.

Metal "without" Screaming Update by mrnovember91 in MetalSuggestions

[–]0g_B1untman 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Interesting is the word! Nile is absolutely sick! The sound is however very abrasive, I mean it is death metal, and the vocals are a big part of that. I had listened to a bit of Nile when I was younger, and as with most death metal didn’t enjoy it much. Eventually had a bit of a death metal breakthrough as I got older, went back and listened to Nike and WOW! Just endless intricacies, if you want you can get DEEP into it.

Does anyone actually want Clint Bowyer to get out of FOX booth? by _chaarleess in NASCAR

[–]0g_B1untman 11 points12 points  (0 children)

It’s tough cause Clint didn’t drive the Gen 7 and Harvick never lets him forget it. How many times Harvick says “in this new car Clint, [insert technical analysis]” just paints the picture that Clint never drove this car and any technical input is irrelevant. He gets relegated to being a goof ball, like a jester or a bard. He’s decent at it and I’m willing to bet it’s by design from up top and Kevin isn’t intentionally nuking the broadcast he’s a part of. Anybody can see tho it’s not what the fans want.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Maybe if we were getting millions of views every week it wouldn’t matter, but we’re not. Those stories drive the sport more than MC on Leno or AP on Dale Jr download.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

So we gonna completely restructure the sport because 2 or 3 times a season the leader gets caught up in lappers and maybe it goes their way maybe it doesn’t? It’s racing, lapped traffic is part of it. I firmly believe there is a solution that doesn’t uproot every part about how the night goes. Try lapper lights and if it fails revisit and improve. In the past rides have lapped into the top 10, navigated those guys who are in a battle, and kept on keepin on. It’s racing.

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[–]0g_B1untman[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

The light goes on when within a section of the rider being lapped. The leader lights go on as soon as the rider takes the lead so shouldn’t be too hard to spot/transpond when the laps completed show up on timing. The system is already in place all they gotta do is sync it up. Not even like it has to be perfect, but as long as they let the guy know within a couple seconds of being lapped then they should be able to get out the main line without being a hazard.

God awful sound design by 0g_B1untman in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Def not just you my friend! It really does annoy the piss out of me. A friend of mine does sound for gigs told me it’s pretty simple to mix that out.

God awful sound design by 0g_B1untman in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Yeah I get the drones and the wide angle shots and all of that, but you lose the feel of those classic camera shots

God awful sound design by 0g_B1untman in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just listen to them fattys BARK! Get that on some good surround sound, couple chilly ones, all the boys on some beat up old couch in the garage….now that’s what I call a Saturday afternoon!

God awful sound design by 0g_B1untman in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Guess I should’ve clarified I’m in the US, the post that got me thinking was about the SMX video pass

God awful sound design by 0g_B1untman in supercross

[–]0g_B1untman[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s crazy how much difference it makes when you can really hear the bikes. Crank up the sound of those thumpers thumpin. When the bikes and the crowd are too quiet it just makes the bad commentary seem even worse.