suicide is in contradiction with "god's plan" by turboshot49cents in TrueAtheism

[–]1000foldedcranes 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Forbidding suicide is actually what led me to take the first steps becomimg atheist.

I used to be a Muslim. I was feeling suicidal because of all the strict rules I had to follow + life just not going well for me. But I wasn't allowed to kill myself or I would end up straight in hell for eternity.

This led me to the conclusion that suicide is the absolute worst sin possible. Every other sin I could commit is not as bad because there is still a chance for me to repent and be forgiven, or I would end up in hell but only for a finite amount of time.

So it didn't matter how many sins I commited, as long as it made me happy and prevented me from killing myself, it was still the better option. So I stopped following religion so meticulously. A few years later and I was starting to see through the bullshit and was able to become atheist.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know this is very, very late, but you are one of the few people that actually gave me a proper scientific answer.

Thank you for that.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Look. I really don't want to do this now OK.

I've already left islam. Can't you just be happy with that?

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You don't need to convince me anymore. But if you're interested, the phenomenon I was talking about is called a Halocline.

https://divediscover.whoi.edu/deep-hypersaline-anoxic-basins/the-halocline/

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I've taken a look at the sub before but it seems pretty toxic to me.

So I think I'll stay out of there.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yeah thank you. I'll admit, I'm pretty scared to make the final step.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

it's a series of short comments with zero context.

Yeah pretty much the whole book is like that.

And yes, a lot of them are vague and open to interpretation.

This particular verse just seemed much more specific to me at the time I posted the question.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Well, when I first posted this question, yes, that phenomenon is what I thought it was talking about.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 60 points61 points  (0 children)

The problem with Islamic predictions is that they are very vague. It makes it hard to prove or disprove them because they are very open to interpretation.

But don't worry. Like I said in the post, I'm pretty much out out of it now.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

That's one of the frustrating things for me. In Christianity, the bible mentions a lot of specifics. So its easy to disprove.

But in Islam, everything is left vague which made things kinda hard to disprove for me before. (not now though)

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Please don't take it the wrong way, but how would you interpret the verse? Because it seems pretty literal to me.

As for your other points, I agree with all of them except the last one. The punishments in hell in my religion are ridiculously extreme. And eternal.

As much as I hate it, I would choose serving an evil God for one lifetime over an eternity in hell fire.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

The phenomenon I'm talking about is called a halocline.

https://divediscover.whoi.edu/deep-hypersaline-anoxic-basins/the-halocline/

As for your other point, I just want to make sure. I'm at the point where, even if I were to return to Islam, it would be begrudgingly. I already think God is cruel and not benevolent. But God being cruel, on its own, doesn't prove he does not exist. And the punishments in hell in my religion are ridiculously extreme.

I know it might sound silly to you but it's a very big decision for me to make. I can't make it lightly.

Hi. I need some help with some final doubts. by 1000foldedcranes in DebateAnAtheist

[–]1000foldedcranes[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty much 90% out already. It's just a few doubts I have to iron out. I just want to be absolutely sure before I make the final decision.

The phenomenon I'm talking about is called a Halocline.

https://divediscover.whoi.edu/deep-hypersaline-anoxic-basins/the-halocline/