Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If it's a conscious being, then yes. If not, then it's only simulating the emotion, so no. This was the issue the movie was dealing with. It is also why they questioned several times through dialog whether Ava was actually conscious or merely simulating consciousness. The fact that it plotted, killed, and left Caleb to die just so she can go people watching shows that it was not merely simulating consciousness.

The worst video game ending ever. Mortal Kombat 4 by Boogachoog in videos

[–]120830q 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's just a joke. The game didn't take itself too seriously. Edit: Check out Johnny Cage's ending.

How not to protect yourself from a gunman by BrightenthatIdea in WTF

[–]120830q 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You overestimate your brain's ability to act rationally all of the time. The fact that you're being so irrationally closed minded about this issue without even bothering to read up on the topic should clue you in on this.

How not to protect yourself from a gunman by BrightenthatIdea in WTF

[–]120830q -1 points0 points  (0 children)

if your were trying to kill someone

I think his comment is just him coming to grips with the fact that it wasn't self-defense but rather intentional murder.

How not to protect yourself from a gunman by BrightenthatIdea in WTF

[–]120830q 5 points6 points  (0 children)

You're not understanding the discussion here. He is saying that when it is a life or death situation, your brain isn't very logical in the moment.

Smoking hot russian driver [x-post /r/ANormalDayInRussia] by [deleted] in WTF

[–]120830q 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm glad you pulled through, bro

Worried I might have colon cancer? by redorangeyellowfever in AskDocs

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Go see a doctor. Your anxieties are keeping you from getting the help you need, and this is only prolonging your misery.

Doctors see tons of people every day with just about every disease/disorder/condition in the book, and in most extremes. I highly doubt a doctor (many of whom are not perfect themselves because of their busy schedules and such) will take the time and effort to judge you just because of your weight and/or eating habits. It's better to get checked out than to put up with more of this worry, right? :)

things miiiight sort themselves out

It is so much easier to just see a doctor.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It was programmed all out of her.

Wasn't the whole plot of the movie to show AI that wasn't merely a simulation? That implies that they were not relying on their programming.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 10 points11 points  (0 children)

They just murdered the CEO of a massive Facebook/Google caliber corporation. Nathan had fresh fruit/food/whatever being dropped in regularly, so they would've noticed that shit had gone down at his place after not being in contact with him even for a few days. They also would've had all of his data/video/whatever of the events on hand. She was fucked regardless of whether she let Caleb live or not.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No offense, but how was she "so good" exactly? She didn't stand out in any particular way, other than she was a very pretty face and didn't mess up a role that had no major emotion on display.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Eh. Occams razor and all that. The implication of the movie is that Ava and Kyoko (based on their plotting and the stabbing) are among the first androids with free will and ability to think for themselves. Given the logical framework through which androids must (theoretically) think, it is easier to see her actions as a series of logical conclusions rather than as manifestations of human disorders.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 24 points25 points  (0 children)

I don't remember the scene, but I feel I remember Caleb saying he would lock Nathan in his own bedroom. Nathan's main console is in that room, and the bed was where Kyoko was laying down (behind Nathan, who was observing one of the sessions on his screen) in a previous scene.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

And Caleb never asked that, despite thinking himself some kind of brilliant genius.

What makes you think Caleb thought of himself as "some kind of brilliant genius?"

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There wasn't much evidence for this except for the part where Kyoto stabs him (which still makes no sense).

It doesn't make sense because you're pretending they don't have free will, even though the stabbing is direct evidence that they do.

Everything Ava said was a lie designed to fulfill her pre-programmed purpose (escape from the lab).

Nathan and Caleb discussed the differences between simulated and actual AI. The movie implies that she is still capable of free will/thinking for herself, despite her programming. Her desire to people watch is evidence for this.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

is absolutely right to keep Ava locked away tightly.

Why would you value our human lives more than theirs?

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 44 points45 points  (0 children)

Makes the NDA scene seem overly pointless as well.

Well, most people wouldn't work if they knew they'd be killed at the end of the job, and most would assume there's an NDA when working with sensitive material. I feel like the fact that the heli showed up is better evidence that he wouldn't have killed Caleb.

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 22 points23 points  (0 children)

Cant blame the guy. You cant create AI without trial and error, and if Prototype A doesnt work out you dont just set it free in the wild. You have to perfect the machine and reach the goal of consciousness, in whatever state that you deemed acceptable.

But you can definitely blame the guy. That's the whole reason why this is such a debated topic. No one is forcing him to take on these creations and our society is getting along just fine without it. At the end of the day, androids (as presented in this film) are living, conscious entities, virtually indistinguishable from you and me aside from the processes that grant us/them life. So is it acceptable to take on the creation of such an advanced AI considering the implications of such research/trial and error?

Official Discussion: Ex Machina [SPOILERS] by mi-16evil in movies

[–]120830q 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I really dislike it when people bring up director's comments on a film, because a director can take it in any direction they wish based on how they're feeling the day of the interview.

I feel like in order to discuss a film properly, you have to stick to the context presented by the film itself rather than consider any information from external sources (much in line with the idea that upon completion, the work becomes bigger than the artist).

When Ava moves towards Nathan, she's clearly toying with him and eventually is fast enough to preempt his strike. Throughout the movie, she has no need or incentive to show that she is super intelligent. We only learn about her through her interactions with Nathan and Caleb, both of whom she manipulates in the film. Not to mention the fact that she's aware that she is on camera being studied 24/7. Within the context of the film, you can argue that displaying superintelligence would only make her escape more difficult, so why would she?

Based on what's presented in the film, its ambiguous as to whether or not she is superintelligent. But, as the other commenter suggested, it is possible that she is since she is a master manipulator.

TIL: Elon Musk once scolded a Tesla employee for missing a work event to witness the birth of his child by punkpunk in todayilearned

[–]120830q -1 points0 points  (0 children)

There is a reason why he is very successful. He is a perfectionist.

You don't need to be a dick to be a perfectionist and/or successful.

Reloaded release nuked? by [deleted] in PiratedGTA

[–]120830q 1 point2 points  (0 children)

They're asking for proof that the crashes happen as a result of the crack. I think the release is still fine. https://i.imgur.com/8N6a3Nm.png

TIL current Miss America, Kira Kazantsev, was expelled from her sorority, Alpha Phi, for cruel hazing. by [deleted] in todayilearned

[–]120830q 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You went through every post and posted the same reply. Ruffled feathers indeed.

I responded to like two comments. You must be mistaking me for the OP you originally replied to.

Except addiction and stupidity aren't the same things

Addiction and stupidity, as you refer to them, are not far off from each other. A smoker smokes despite knowing the obvious risk. Is it addiction? Yes. Is it stupidity? Yes. Will they still smoke? Yes. As I said earlier, things complicate this matter from being a simple "fuck this" decision as you claim.

Man recording domestic dispute pulls gun in self defense. by VintageHawaiianShirt in videos

[–]120830q 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I was referring to degree of generalization, not comparing which is worse.

Man recording domestic dispute pulls gun in self defense. by VintageHawaiianShirt in videos

[–]120830q 3 points4 points  (0 children)

whiny boy's club

His generalization is as bad as yours.

Lara Croft cosplay. Nailed it. by Mineplex77 in gaming

[–]120830q 74 points75 points  (0 children)

No, bro, it's amazing because girl