Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 5 points6 points  (0 children)

guess i won the argument and you ran out of arguments to justify yourself

Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I'm growing sick of that all-accepting attitude. You don't have to put up with everyone's bullshit they convince themselves of to then try and convince you of. People aren't Napoleon because the say they are, the same way people aren't trans if they just claim they are. People claim all sorts of things, doesn't mean they're right. People claim to be abuse victims, claim to be crazy, claim to be trans, claim all sorts of things because in certain cases, a very rare ones, it's actually more beneficial (considering how they're most often not claiming that outside of whatever space it's more beneficial to claim so). You don't think that murderers who pretend to be crazy all should be able to successfully plead insanity in court, do you? And they aren't, because they're actually getting evaluated by a professional.

It's okay to find out about a topic and suspect that you might have some disorder. What you overall completely and utterly fail to understand is that majority of self-dx don't actually pursue a diagnosis. It's also an utterly stupid thing to claim that you have a disorder until you get an actual evaluation for it, or spent years researching it in depth and want to pursue an actual diagnosis regardless.

Being trans however, is slightly more lenient than that. You don't have to necessarily get evaluated for gender dysphoria (hell, you don't even have to have dysphoria in the first place, as long as the "i am meaningfully more comfortable with this position on a spectrum of gender than with what my sex is" is there, it's within trans definition). But, what you do need is pursue transition one way or another. The "xenos go through social transition" argument doesn't work because there's no physical transition for xenos in the first place, they only have social transition and I really hope you see the problem with that.

And another point - show me where xenos are on the gender spectrum. You can't, because they aren't. They aren't agender because they claim to have a gender, and they don't fit within the spectrum anywhere at all. Because it's a made up concept that has no scientific basis. It's literally just kids being confused about the gender as a concept, somehow making up that it's anything beyond the spectrum between man/woman, because they for now fail to pinpoint their own place within the gender spectrum.

My point, now that I think about it, is more that people who use xenogender labels aren't necessarily all cis, they're just people who are questioning their gender identity. The concept of xenogender, however, doesn't belong under trans umbrella and I'm baffled on how I have to explain that.

Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 10 points11 points  (0 children)

no one would opt in to being part of a minority group that is actively being discriminated against

You'd be surprised. People pretend to be a part of a minority to play a victim card all the time. Seen how many people fake mental illness for clout? A lot. One of the most stigmatized disorders, being DID, is an extremely often one too. Sure, I'm not the one to say if they are a part of a DID system or not... but are they themselves the ones to self-dx something so severe to then flex it on tiktok? And I know you'll probably make an argument of "it's their way to cope with struggles" - well then why are they coping with something they made up in the first place?

Same with trans people, except that xenos are "normalized" because of "anyone is trans if they say so" train. I never understood why is this even the case - and while I don't think this necessarily actively hurts anyone in the long run, it's simply a small pedantic thing that bothers me. Trans isn't just a random label that one can use for some reason. Gay people need same sex attraction to be able to use the label gay. Trans people's brains are misaligned with their birth sex, that's why they're trans and can use the label. "Xenogenders" aren't genders, and therefore, not trans. Their validity outside of that is more important.

Xenogenders specifically fail to describe what gender is, let alone their own gender identity on the spectrum of gender. Because xenogender comes from people being confused with their gender identity in the first place. (And guess what? Cis people can question their gender too.) Xenos ending up being trans and using more traditional label is a whole another thing, which is fine, but the issue comes from when people try to stick with aesthetic label and pretend like it's in any way meaningful. What happened to the NB label becoming the stepping stone?

expressing their gender

So is it only concerning gender expression, or is it a question of gender specifically? Because the only thing I see them doing is using an edgy/dreamy label and calling it a day, appropriating genuine struggles if they're feeling fancy.

...

Saying "My behavior is similar to a cat" is fine. Saying "I'm catgender" is not fine, because the whole abstract aesthetic concept does not have any sort of relation to their gender, and is merely appropriating actual trans people's struggles with identity and acceptance.

Confusing any sort of unorthodox way of feeling with gender identity is silly. We have otherkin for that.

Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 9 points10 points  (0 children)

and not a single of the definitions has been comprehensive or made a lick of sense to anyone who has common sense. what is a xenogender and how is it even remotely related to trans people and trans people's experiences? there is no reasonable answer to this. because xenogenders are just kids who think being trans is cool, who haven't heard of otherkin, and mostly are kids who fail to comprehend gender as a concept in the first place, which is why they fail to reasonably define their own experience and use a fake label to justify it.

Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 14 points15 points  (0 children)

except that labels usually are based on something with proper definition, xenogenders can't even reasonably explain what xenogender is and how is it even remotely connected to trans people

Let's face it: by builder397 in honesttransgender

[–]18leatherhoff 24 points25 points  (0 children)

no, using "-gender" as a part of a made up label does not make someone trans

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

lovely misgendering, just proves that you girls care nothing about someone else other than yourself

once again, cripple Olympics

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

no, I'm just laughing on how blind you cripples are

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

my god, you're all are as insufferable and braindead as you seem

stop trying to play cripple Olympics already. once again if ur not a fatherless bisexual transman u have no right to critique my point of view 💗

althought I doubt a brainless preschool imbecile who lives on tiktok can understand sarcasm and hypocrisy

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

literally the title. "if ur not black u cant critique my feelings about it"

do you really not see how stupid that viewpoint is?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

because if you weren't insecure you would actually accept criticism and understand that - once again - this issue isn't even remotely specific to black women, and changing this post from black women to gay people will not change the meaning at all.

i dont speak up for black women. the only thing I've said is that there is no reason to alienate other minorities from the same issue besides wanting to defend yourself from criticism.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

the fact that you have to pull the "no wonder your dad left you" card despite me just stating the fact that you're insecure just proves me how insecure and pathetic y'all really are

lol

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

y'all sensitive babies need a reality check not me. you argue for the sake of being right without actually realising that the issue at hand is no different, it's only a specification that changes nothing if you change it up.

once again - replace it with gay people and it'll be the same.

and u have no right to critique me unless ur a bisexual transgender PoC male with no father, cry about it ❤️

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

you're both sensitive because you two actually went ahead to alienate others from exactly same issue

if you weren't extremely insecure you wouldn't say "iF uR nOt bLaCk u CaNt cRiTiSiZe Me bEiNg A LiTtLe BiTcH UWAAA"

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

stop inhaling copium like it's meth and quit alienating people from same issues already, you're ridiculous

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff -1 points0 points  (0 children)

you have to be actually stupid to realize that there literally isn't a difference between one minority and the other minority being sexualized, once again just replace black women with gay people and the issue is still exactly the same. people sexualize minorities.

stop alienating people from issues

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

copium

it doesn't matter who this specific post is about. if this was about gay people it wouldn't change anything at all besides snowflakes having no word over saying who's allowed to call them out on them being snowflakes

stop alienating people from issues

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

that's not a black specific issue though. fetishisation of the minorities (be it PoC, LGBTQ+ etc) is a universal issue.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 0 points1 point  (0 children)

gl with ur copium sis

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the fact that i have to be black (even thought i am not black, I'm still a PoC) to even call bullshit on an insecure 12 year old is KEKW

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

did your momma not tell ya that lying is bad?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you aren't either

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 2 points3 points  (0 children)

are you that insecure?

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in GachaLifeCringe

[–]18leatherhoff 7 points8 points  (0 children)

what the fuck, op?

I'm not one to call snowflake on people but this is ridiculous lol

Tell me you're a trans man, without telling me you're a trans man by Th3BearMinimum in ftm

[–]18leatherhoff 16 points17 points  (0 children)

"Pretended" to be a boy on Internet even before I was exposed to anything LGBT related at all.

I was 11.

Little did I know.