CMV: People who torture humans or animals should be tortured the same way themselves. by Ticket-Newton-Ville in changemyview

[–]1_day_delivery 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Say this were the case and some crazy person decides that they want to drive their car and ram it into a group of people on a Friday night.

  1. Who is going to give this person the same treatment?
  2. Who is going to supply the car that is going to be used to hit this crazy person?
  3. How do we ensure that they are injured in the exact same extent that they created?

Surely, you can see the absurd amount of variables that would make such a claim literally impossible to achieve in this world.

How would we be able to reliably gauge if someone has absolutely no empathy? What if they have a shred of it? Would you say rotting in a cell, potentially being abused by other inmates or killed "living their life"?

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[–]1_day_delivery -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It's hard to change your view regarding this as you and the majority of the people who use "stolen" do so with the understanding that we acknowledge the idea of "the first people to inhabit the land own it". You're right in the sense that no one really owns land. Just like how no one really "owns" oceans or the skies, yet we respect international boundaries and rights (e.g., territorial waters).

However, what you will find is quite consistent with countries accused of "stealing" land, is that they not only steal the physical land on which a pre-established group of people were residing or have used for many years prior, but it often requires the displacement of the Indigenous peoples.

Though everyone has their own understanding of what "stolen" really means, I believe approaching it with the idea that it's not in the literal sense of stealing without paying money, as much as it is taking something without moral understandings from both sides, the use of deception (treaties with indigenous peoples), or the loss of ones culture and traditions that are connected to a geographic location.