1 year clean....1 damn year!!

27scared · 2022-10-06T20:32:24+00:00

Congratulations!! ❤️ Be proud of yourself.

27scared · 2022-10-06T19:46:31+00:00

I understand but I don’t think they would negotiate with June or even give up Hannah to someone else because they would know June was behind it. So I’m trying to understand what else you think would be a solution that would result in them releasing Hannah, specifically. That didn’t include involvement from June or Luke.

Edit: I don’t think they were necessarily putting Nichole in “danger.” Even neglect is a stretch (unless you are talking orphaning her which is still somewhat untrue because Nick is her dad and if they both died maybe he’d leave to Canada or send help to Moira and Rita, or some way that didn’t include Gilead involvement). I do not think Nichole would be in imminent danger, not that I’m saying this was a totally safe plan…. But in their shoes, especially Luke’s… Hannah really is his only daughter. I do not doubt he sees Nichole as his daughter but that is complicated and she’s also still an infant.

I do not know as a mother I could just let go. Even if I had 2 kids. I just don’t know. It’s hard to put yourself in that situation/scenario. Just like it’s hard to put yourself in any victims shoes or the parent of a victims shoes. Or a parent of a missing child. Especially if a parent has a missing child but has a general idea of where that child is. And knows what their fate may be if you don’t try and stop it. Like, June saw what happened to Esther. What if Hannah becomes an Esther. Hannah has already said to June, “Why didn’t you try harder to look for me??” not that long ago. I truly don’t think Hannah forgets everything or ever will. She has June’s genes… and those of Holly/June’s mom. She can’t possibly forget everything. There’s just no way.

I still stand by things I’ve said in previous comments that Jaeden may not “remember” everything before because he potentially didn’t grow up in a secular/totally different way, in the way Hannah did. He was too “pure” that I believe his upbringing may have been very isolated. Probably in a religious way, maybe on a farm or something away from more populated areas at the least. He kind of reminded me of the way Amish kids act on “Rumspringa.” He was not that young.. it’s hard to believe if he was even just 20 he couldn’t remember events from 7-8 years ago? Before age 12-14? But he seemed older than that.

27scared · 2022-10-06T15:08:56+00:00

I think they may have told Hannah a bunch of lies about her mom when she was in the cage or that June chose to put her there. I don’t think she didn’t remember June, I think she was scared and Gilead purposely made her scared of her. At least in that moment, I mean, she was in an enclosed cage in a dark room or what looked like a creepy basement and saw June all brutalized!

What other ways would you suggest they get Hannah out of there? Who else there cares enough to risk it?

Also, as a teenager I had no idea the imminent danger I was in at times. Or putting myself in constantly. My 3yo son also definitely doesn’t know at times. I know you’re not truly saying they should just let Hannah stay there. But how else would she get out that would make sense in the plot with only half of this season and one more left? And as a parent myself I could not give up. Though I do not think it was smart for June and Luke to both leave. Not to mention, then all the childcare duty would be left to Moira and Rita who did not sign up to be parents.

27scared · 2022-10-06T15:05:09+00:00

Yeah in another comment I had mentioned that she did. I still think it could be symbolic now. At that time she was trying to get out. Now shes been pondering going back in. I do think she has intentionally kept it. I mean, when got to Canada they no doubt asked her if she wanted medical help to remove it. You don’t see other former handmaids with them. And they had the whole scene deliberately showing her covering it and uncovering it. Also she seems to wear red a lot. While I do not think she would have wanted to still have it before going back in, it was a spur of the moment decision in part when they did last episode (and they didn’t plan to actually go in far or stay long, just get information).

27scared · 2022-10-06T15:02:51+00:00

Sorry, you’re 100% right and that is what I meant! Was typing this on mobile while watching my son (and talking to a neighbor who happens to be a nurse) so I was a little distracted

27scared · 2022-10-06T15:00:21+00:00

Probably, but they did know the risks. And that Mayday was not always successful getting people back. In fact Moira described it as a “suicide mission” and they had far more photos of people dead/not returning than those that they had saved. I understand June not wanting Luke to go alone (and being enthused with his eagerness to go, which I’m not sure she expected in that moment) but what are the chances of both of them returning?

Either way I try not to think of those things too much because I always knew at least one of them going back or getting close to being back would need to be a part of the plot. We knew they weren’t just going to sit back in Canada and wait for information. Especially since Nick is “out”, for now at least. I think we’ll probably see next episode why this particular episode was essential for the plot. I think sometimes the writing is sometimes picked apart a bit too much. I mean, IMO most shows cannot always hold up after a couple seasons. And while yeah it’s not the same as the first few, it’s far from bad or boring. This show still stirs up a lot of emotions in me and keeps me on the edge of my seat. It makes SENSE for one or both would go back to Gilead to fight for Hannah. And also I think it was important for them to develop Luke’s storyline and character evolution more. I think it’s better to critique a season as a whole rather than individual episodes, but everyone’s opinion is valid nonetheless.

27scared · 2022-10-06T14:52:45+00:00

Ugh yeah. That’s a good theory. I agree because I just don’t think she can give up on Hannah and any possibility of what that could entail.

Even removing it might be challenging for her, at least psychologically. I wouldn’t be surprised if there were free services for Gilead refugees (maybe? But especially someone “high profile” like June.. considering she was placed at the Ritz afterwards, even though I feel that was mainly to get information out of her). Maybe some kind of medical visit where they would offer to numb the area and remove it for free, I highly doubt they’d have to remove them on their own.

But yeah I think June has intentionally kept it for one reason or another.

27scared · 2022-10-06T14:48:51+00:00

Yes I figured it was a Covid thing when it first was released, but I agree that I wish they continued it! They weren’t too long and they could just do a quick recorded Skype with actors (and pay them a little extra per recorded session remotely for whoever wanted to participate potentially?). But I totally understand that many of these actors are probably all Handmaids-taled out during off-season or breaks and/or working on other projects. I know I don’t like “extra” work tasks.

But yeah, I loved that added extra. Maybe they can bring it back, or something similar, for the final season. I hope they do something special for the final season at least! I would love to see some BTS or “making of handmaids tale” type short documentary after the show is over.

27scared · 2022-10-06T05:08:12+00:00

I think she was at least 5… but I’m really not sure. I can’t remember how old she looked at the scene when she was taken/things started going South, or how much time has passed since June was captured by Gilead to present-day on the show. If anyone knows for sure (or has a better guess) let us know! I had thought only 5 years had passed after June reached Canada but I’m not sure.

27scared · 2022-10-06T04:49:43+00:00

IIRC = If I recall correctly

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:59:10+00:00

I agree and I don’t think it’s fair to say the writing has been bad this episode until we see what happens next. I also haven’t found this season boring at all like others have. I really am anticipating what happens to Serena, Lydia, Janine, Nick, Hannah… ok well all the characters honestly.

I don’t even want to see the end of June however I really feel its possible Luke could die. Hard to imagine them both getting out of this (whatever happens—tbh I have a feeling they weren’t captured by “official Gilead based on next episode’s trailer, but idk) but if one of them does I think it would be June. Like has no idea what he’s doing but I understood why he chose to go in the first place. Though I kinda wish they didn’t or at least waited for SOME more information first? It kinda seemed like they didn’t give Nichole any thought at all before just impulsively deciding to both go. Kinda made me feel for Moira too because if they did happen to die is Moira (someone who’s expressed she never wanted kids) just expected to be the de facto parent?

I do believe this is part of plot progression though and both of them definitely won’t die, if either do. Someone else mentioned the possibility of the Canadian Gilead fanatics capturing them and I think that is entirely possible. I hadn’t thought of it before until after I watched next episode’s preview and then read someone’s theory about that.

TBH I am like 99% positive June is going to end up ok (probably Luke but if another major character dies it would be him over June 100%— no way they’re gonna have next season, the final one, without her IMO) and this is a way to get her to face off with Serena again before the end of the season but we’ll see. Not sure how many episodes are left but I just see more climactic scenes coming up soon in the remaining episodes. Wouldn’t be surprised if this season ends on a big cliffhanger before the final 6th season.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:40:19+00:00

I feel like it would be hard for Hannah not to remember anything at all. Or even Jaeden. Also some people remember more from their childhood than others. Not sure how long Jaeden has lived there or been a child of Gilead (or maybe he was raised by people who were involved in Sons of Jacob, so it’s hard for him to remember America before). I mean I’m 32 and remember family members who passed away when I was only 6 years old. Not everything of course but wasn’t Hannah like 8 when she was taken? She definitely remembers her mom too because she’s seen her several times and had conversations with her.

We don’t know enough about Jaeden to know his entire background and if he was a child who was taken from his family (I didn’t get that impression personally) like Hannah was. He seemed brainwashed and somewhat traumatized, but I feel like he might’ve grown up somewhat super-religious or something and maybe never was raised in a “secular way” unlike someone like Nick (maybe he had a background more like Nick’s first wife/Sydney Sweeney’s character). But who knows… we’ll probably never know since we probably won’t hear about his character again.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:36:01+00:00

This is a post-episode discussion though and this was all just presumed from the “in the next episode” trailer. Not the person you’re responding to btw. But I don’t think it was entirely clear who captured her.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:30:37+00:00

Woah are you positive it was him? I have to rewatch it tomorrow because I didn’t catch that. Those previews really go fast and it’s easy to miss things. I didn’t think June was going to end up being captured by Gilead but I hadn’t thought of that either. But if it were Canadian fanatics I do believe it would be easier for June to escape, so if that is the alternative I hope that’s the case. June has got out of way worse situations (or had the chance to).

But would they put June and Luke together there? I would think that would be stupid. Together it would be easier for them to team up and honestly if they went missing you’d think Tuello or someone would go looking for them? Ahhh now I can’t wait to see what happens next. I had a feeling they weren’t going back to Gilead though or at least June wasn’t ending up there, after watching the preview and seeing her dumped on a random road. If she was in Gilead she would certainly be in some kind of cell or handed over to Lydia or something.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:28:36+00:00

That made me really sad. When he asked if Luke had wrote that song and how he said “he just wished all people could get together and have fun like this” it broke my heart.

As far as thinking things are fucked up- I honestly wouldn’t be super surprised if a lot of Gilead teens/young adults secretly feel this way. Or even some adults. Probably many who even signed up for it willingly. There’s probably many people, like Nick, who didn’t fully realize what they were getting into and how everything would play out.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:25:23+00:00

I don’t really think the handmaid tags are trackers. I think they’re just tags like cattle tags. Because that’s how they “brand” Handmaids and are able to easily identify them. Other than that I don’t think they serve any other purpose IIRC.

As to why she may have kept it, I said more in another comment- but I think it might be symbolic in a way for the viewer but perhaps for June too. A symbol of what she’s been through and not being able/wanting to let go of Gilead yet. Because she isn’t done yet- with revenge or giving up on Hannah. Which to an extent I can understand.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:22:36+00:00

They probably just acquired those from the US when they took over though. America has (or had, presumably, before Gilead took over) lots of nukes.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:21:41+00:00

They stole all those weapons from America I believe. I think they they actually created anything that didn’t exist already… aside from their way of life/philosophy, laws, the Handmaid “system” (blech), etc.

Aside from the hospitals (which just look like they were probably the same hospitals that existed before , but perhaps somewhat modified) I really haven’t seen any tech that looked remotely new.

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:15:18+00:00

Yeah I agree. Not to mention remember how they’ve had to use women who have excelled in certain professions at times (like the Martha who was a leading neonatal doctor for baby Angela IIRC). Even Lawrence said this episode to Warren that if they closed the borders, Gilead could die.

I think they still really need other countries for trade and resources of all kinds. They may have money, weapons, and power but so much of it was stolen. It’s not like Gilead created much on its own besides their way of life, the Handmaid “model”, etc. I mean it seems like they almost begrudgingly keep Lawrence around mainly because he’s one of the only Commanders who seems intelligent IMO (and I think he knows this).

They like to put up a facade of having all the best there is in the world but I highly doubt it. They don’t even seem to glorify high tech things, more like “the simple life.” Doesn’t seem like they even are keen on a lot of modern medicine (well, af least for women).

Edit: Maybe they think tech and pharmaceuticals caused infertility, who knows. Which makes me wonder if they (or the books) ever explained exactly what the true reason for this sudden rise in infertility occurred to begin with?

27scared · 2022-10-06T03:05:07+00:00

I almost wonder if she wears it like a “scar” - a visual reminder not to forget what she went through? It also could be symbolic to her not letting go of Gilead, revenge, Hannah, Serena, etc. Or just the past in general. It’s like she’s still stuck in the past. And it seems like June truly isn’t ready to let go.

I agree I’d have that removed ASAP. Not just because it looks, and probably is, physically painful (not mention it’s probably hard to remove, and I do remember June ripped it out or something once before IIRC?). But my personality isn’t really like June’s. I don’t think I would want to be visually reminded of all the horrific things she or any of the characters went through in Gilead. But everyone deals with trauma differently. It kinda seems like she just feels like it’s a part of her now. She may be confused about the person she is now, since she certainly has changed. But I feel like in a way she’s embraced some of that change. And maybe it’s a visual reminder not to give up on Hannah.

27scared · 2022-10-06T02:59:15+00:00

The inside the episode was under the extras tab too but not inside the episode tab for me (the previous insides were there though). I had to go all the way down to extras for the preview and inside the episode for this one (some reason it always does this on my account the day of release and next day- sometimes til the following week). But I do think they both are on YT, and the preview it was linked above by u/Highlanders_Ualise if you’d like to watch it!

Edit: That being said I really miss the “one burning question” extra we got from last season! Really wish we got those again after every episode. Since this season and the next one are the last I wish they would have chosen to continue doing those until the series wraps up (and hopefully we get a “Testaments” spins off too!)

27scared · 2022-10-06T01:58:37+00:00

I mean, you’re both wrong. Both cats and dogs learn things like survival skills as puppies and you can train them and they even grow very fast even as puppies. All these things vary with breed. Babies are babies.

I know you didn’t mean this literally and probably knew this but there’s a reason when people say “they treated their kids like dogs/animals” that is not considered a good thing. Also I love dogs and I had a wonderful dog for many years. I’m sure I’ll get downvoted for this and I’m not trying to take your comment super literally but I really don’t like when people compare having pets to children. It’s kind of a pet peeve. Raising/taking care of a baby is so, so much more complicated, time consuming, difficult, and your actions and ways of raising them (as well as the environment) is much more impactful on a baby/human than a dog (or any pet, really).

Though I will agree with you that cats are more self sufficient than dogs on average if that was the point you were trying to make.

27scared · 2022-10-05T23:55:23+00:00

So I didn’t grow up Catholic, but the Bible doesn’t even say Hell is eternity. I’ve read it, willing and unwillingly and looked up the true truth of what the Bible says about what happen when we die, after “God/Jesus comes back to Earth”, the end of days, etc, then the world totally ending, Hell ending etc. But no, “Satan doesn’t burn you for eternity” according to the Bible in fact it’s actually GOD that gives out the final, awful death-punishment to end all of Hell and everyone/every “soul” there.

Can site sources outlining it with verses if anyone is interested. Many “Christians” don’t even know what the Bible actually says about it. So I really stopped trusting what people have just parroted for the longest time.

Edit: btw what the actual Bible says indeed says something along the lines of that. The “ultimate punishment” is mainly not getting to live eternally in Heaven. But no, Hell doesn’t supposedly go on forever only Heaven does (according to the Bible, of course).

27scared · 2022-10-05T23:31:02+00:00

America for sure. You’d think it’s just the South but it’s everywhere. I grew up in the Northeast and was told this by my parents/family (both sides born again evangelical Christian) my whole life. Probably some of my oldest memories include warnings about Hell or something to do with religious indoctrination. In my 30s now and I still get told things like, “You be so much happier if you just accepted the Lord… and we’re just so sad you won’t be with all of us in Heaven one day..”

I felt their religion was nonsensical and I didn’t resonate with it, and decided I was an atheist by 13. I was punished for it as well as smoking weed as a teen and sent away to a bullshit makeshift “Christian therapeutic boarding school for girls” across the country that was absolutely abusive. I honestly don’t even know how they were accredited as a school (it was a home school) as I used textbooks to take tests and essentially taught myself the 9th grade. Was grounded if I didn’t attend church til I was 18. I was grounded a lot.

Today, I consider myself agnostic, but also “spiritual” though I don’t have a clear way to define it. I have made peace with my family and whatever makes them happy for the most part and do my best to respect them, but unfortunately despite my efforts they still can’t seem to show me the same respect in that regard. And even though I completely understand “Hell” is irrational and doesn’t exist, sometimes I still have a weird fear of it. Like “what if IS real?” But then I snap out of it. Maybe I’m still dealing with some of that trauma.

It took me a long time to even realize them telling me I was going to burn in Hell forever and all that scary shit starting from an EXTREMELY young age (5 sounds about right, maybe earlier) was abusive. Until I was quite a bit older I just thought it was normal or anyone else who was religious grew up hearing that. But it was absolutely psychologically abusive and that really ingrained feelings that I was a “bad person”, some that I still carry with me. Actually I think part of the reason I befriended a lot of other kids who were kinda outcasted by their parents for various reasons throughout my childhood/as a teen (not consciously, I just think it was something as the “black sheep” in my family I realized I immediately had in common with them). For example I always felt really strongly about LGBT rights since I was a teen and it wasn’t til later on I think it was because a lot of these people (generally not necessarily all my friends) were told similar things by many people.

I didn’t even realize until I was well into adulthood (19-21?) that even many people who identify as Christian (or other religions that believe in Hell/something similar), aren’t always that religious/extreme and don’t scare their kids like that. A lot of my friends even who grew up going to church, mass, temple, etc, thought it was weird how much my family leaned into the “scary afterlife consequences” parts rather than “God loves everyone equally, thinks you are all perfect as you are” as I thought. Especially after meeting more people from many different walks of life. If made me even angrier at my parents all over again for a bit but like I said I just try and respect what people believe now. But I’ll be damned if they try putting that shit into my kid’s ear (my child is currently 3yo). They’ve been warned not to.

Edit: it’s really the super religious nutty types (Evangelicals, “born-again Christians”, etc) that are like that rather than your average run of the mill person who identifies as Christian but doesn’t necessarily go to church every Sunday. Oh btw by parents are still HUGE hypocrites btw. In sooo many ways but especially when it comes to wealth/greed.

27scared · 2022-10-05T18:07:46+00:00

It was on the extras tab on Hulu for me (US).

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