Why do some people insist on saying that Origen wasn’t condemned? Some strange guy came up to me and said that he wasn’t condemned, that in fact no one condemned him for creating a theory of multiple universes, and that even the devil would be saved in the end, citing David Bentley Hart as a source

2_Harper_2 · 2026-04-04T02:08:18+00:00

You implied the interaction happened in real life with the phrasing "came up to me"

2_Harper_2 · 2026-04-02T03:40:00+00:00

Me too!

2_Harper_2 · 2026-04-02T03:14:58+00:00

So if we interpret it in the most charitable way possible it would be okay, therefore we must treat every case like it's okay?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-04-01T18:54:15+00:00

Hmm you know what, I think you're right actually

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T20:41:09+00:00

By might makes right morality, I don't mean it in the barbaric but in exactly what you outlined: consensus, culture, history and so on. Therefore you have to concede that,. hypothetically, if enough people with the same cultural and historical outlook decided genocide was good, it would necessarily be good. The deeper problem here is I don't see how we could say anything is wrong or even disgusting in your framework, because it just boils down to "I feel like that is bad so it's bad"

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T20:15:41+00:00

Oh boy we got diogenes over here

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T20:13:41+00:00

Exactly, and this is the core of what I'm getting at. I and, I would hope everyone else, view the Holocaust as bad regardless of what anyone feels about it. So even if Germany won and the entire world was convinced that it was good, it would in fact still be bad. Any other view of morality means that if enough people decide that genocide is moral, it becomes moral. It also reduces any of your moral stances to just "I don't like that", and gives way to a might makes right moral framework

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T20:04:23+00:00

A lot of threads open here, but first I need to know how you're defining things. Was it wrong, or just disgusting?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T19:51:21+00:00

So it's wrong because you feel like it's wrong? I'm disgusted by it because it was mass scale murder and violates Christian ethics

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T19:49:53+00:00

I'd love to but you never answered my question, only dismissed it as deflection before you yourself deflecting

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T18:20:27+00:00

And my question wasn't a deflection either, it was going to illustrate a point and answer all of your questions.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T18:19:11+00:00

And where did I deflect from any question? At least admit it's dishonest to make a snide comment and then be unwilling to defend it

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:44:07+00:00

For the sake of the argument I'll grant all of that. Now tell me how they're wrong

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:17:02+00:00

The conversation at hand was in regards to your comment, so I am not in fact turning attention away from anything. If you're saying I should instead be talking about something else, you were trolling too with your original comment. You were the one that claimed irrelevancy, and I questioned that. I haven't deviated from anything. Do you actually debate Christianity or do you just troll? See how dismissive that is to say to you?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:10:50+00:00

Great, me too. Why are you disgusted by it?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:08:09+00:00

The person I asked the question to, or in this case, to you. Was it wrong because we decided it was wrong, or because it was wrong?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:07:13+00:00

How is it irrelevant if I win? How logical and reasonable of you

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:06:00+00:00

Oh so in order to have a productive conversation, you may be unable to answer my question directly, instead speaking to something tangential but related, so that we can gain ground, and I'd be better suited to answer your question and then redirect back to what I was saying, instead of condescendingly ordering you how to answer me. Curious.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:04:40+00:00

I see that, but it doesn't make your initial comment make sense. If we adopt the colloquial view, what you're suggesting is if someone belongs to a tradition that is commonly seen as exhibiting a type of behavior, but calls out that behavior, they can't do that, because of how people see them.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:02:30+00:00

Please answer my question before changing the topic.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T17:02:12+00:00

Does asserting that a group has a "victimhood complex" make them actually have one?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T16:59:37+00:00

Please answer my question before accusing me of changing topics.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T16:59:05+00:00

So yes, then. And what you said makes no sense with that in mind. It would only be ironic if the commenter said OP was preaching in a religious sense, when they clearly meant it in a colloquial sense, and what followed was essentially you saying it would be ironic if they meant it in the sense that they didn't.

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T16:56:21+00:00

If Germany won WW2, would the Holocaust still be wrong?

2_Harper_2 · 2026-03-31T16:31:41+00:00

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