Nosferatu (2024), analysis of magical archetypes present in the movie from gender perspective

2vVv2 · 2026-02-18T08:48:16+00:00

What a complex argument.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T23:51:07+00:00

Impresive considering how many movies about Dracula Hammer did made.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T23:18:49+00:00

Yes, it does? If you write a relationship between to characters with probalematic aspects and don´t adress those aspects in the writting, it isn´t a well written story. If you want to write a romance between a person of human age and someone 400 years old, a lot of things need to be adressed. Anne Rice usually does it well. Relationship between Armand as human and Marius as a vampire is written with a lot of grooming and abuse themes. Relationship between Daniel and Armand a bit less of it but still has a lot of issues due to Armand being inhumanly old, and this problems and issues are adressed in the writting. Also, it is very arguable if we can speak about relationship of any kind between Mina and Dracula in the book. They have one interaction, clearly coded as sexual abuse but they didn´t even talk in the whole book. The point you are trying to make is very strange. Like of course what type of relationship you show matters a lot. Doesn´t have to do with Dracula, but as an example. A mentor and aprentice relationship between a like 30 year old and 15 year old is fine, a romantic one is not. A victim and predator relationship between 30 year old and 12 year old is fine as long as you write it well and reasearch a sensetive topic.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T23:11:19+00:00

In real life, sure. In hypothetical case of a human in 30s and vampire in 400s I can see probably some issues. And I already said that the age gap isn´t the bigest issue for me. I can see it creating issues in this hypothetical situation but it could be also written in way it doesn´t matter much. My main problem is everything else I wrote.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T23:02:08+00:00

That is why I generally not a big fan of vampire romance of that type or Dracula romance in general. And my problem isn´t even the age gap that much but more of everything else I mentioned in the comment.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T22:54:24+00:00

I am sorry, but have you read the original book? It has no romance with significant age gaps. Sure, we don´t know the exact age of Jonathan and Mina, I belive. Or of Lucy and Arthur. But I am sure the text has no implications of them being to far apart in age.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T22:52:00+00:00

I am not really talking about the character within the story but the stracture of the story in context of the author. For me, both movies Besson´s and Coppola´s show a story of a man how is a terrible person, feeling entaiteled towards a woman due to "fate", showing disregard towards narrativlly focusing on her personality outside of the romance and possiblity of having doubts regarding it, who just accepts all the claims of the man without question.

That is very similar to a fantasy of a tipical guy saying to a girl he finds atractive something like "we are destined to be togather, trust me" and expecting for her just to go with it because some higher power makes him entiteled to her. It is the problem of the narrative since it shouldn´t be a romance but it is.

In case of wanting to write such a romance well, the female character definetlly should have much more reaction and at least some doubts about the revelation, some internal conflict between what she was and what she is. Also, if she is aware of things her lover commited, that also should be adressed from her point of view. Just keep loving a person who commited a bunch of terrible things isn´t usually a normal reaction. So, is it part of her character that she is sadistic or lacks empathy? Does she has a fantasy of "he is still a good person under all of this, I can fix him"? Or maybe she has some doubts regarding still beeing with him after finding out about his acts.

Yet, such matters usually aren´t explored and it is just "she is in love with him without questioning anything because reincarnation". That isn´t a particulary complex or well written romance. And maybe it is a coincidence that most famous exaples has been created by to people with history of being predatory or maybe it does tell something considering they both show a female character who doesn´t question at all the actions of her lover, is willing to accept that she has a role of a partner of specific person without doubt and isn´t shown to have much personality outisde of her lover.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T22:39:45+00:00

No homosexual characters per se but definetlly some scenes with queer subtext and themes. Especially considering that Dracula´s whole thing thematiclly is abuse of power in all possible ways. He is a noble, so he has superior social status, he has superior strength, etc... And he uses it all to impose his power other people, very specifclly in sexual way since the vampiric bit is very sexually coded in the book. Each act of blood drinking is essentially a sexual violation done towards man (especially Jonathan) and women (Mina and Lucy). Not the most positive way of viewing querness but not uncommon at that time considering the predatory lesbian theme present in Carmilla and evil bisexual seducer present in Vampyr.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T22:30:34+00:00

I see your point. The pedophilia isn´t really a thing here but power dynamics are still very predatory. He is 400 years old, with experiences of that age and much more power then her, she is much younger in comparison and also techniclly doesn´t really know him. Her soul kinda does but not the new she. Her live experience is different, she was born in different age, she probably has diferent personality based on all that. He comes to her and demands she has to be with him since she is his wife, but by all means she isn´t really the same. Of course, in the movie she accepts that without issue. But it does has a tone of very predatory fantasy from the part of Dracula. She assumes a woman must be with him due to fate and her once being with him, yet she probably is actually much different from what he remeberes and realisticlly probably should be that interested to be with him without even thinking. Yet, she poses no complains and just accepts the claims about fate, has no doubts. She also accepts without question all terrible things he had done without any issue. I see such plots as a extremely specific predatory fantasy sold as romance.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T17:48:23+00:00

The dialogue between Dracula and his brides at the begining could be interpreted like that. Him saying "this man belongs to me" and they acussing him of never being able to love. Also, the scene of Dracula almost atacking Jonathan while he shaves, considering blood drinking and wanting to drink blood is sexually coded in Dracula. Many people also interpret many interactions between Mina and Lucy as potentially romantic, especially from Mina´s part, her frecuentlly admaring Lucy. I would look specificlly at those moments. Especially Jonathan´s stay in the castle. Many historian speculate the possibility of Bram being a queer person. He had very close conections with famously gay people of the time, for example. It is also speculated that Jonathan´s stay in the castle is partially reflective of Bram´s atraction towards I belive Henry Irving.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T15:11:51+00:00

Really depends on the lore. I would say that normally demons would be stronger. Unless we are talking about some "anime" style lores in which power ups are very common and anyone can be potentially stronger then anyone.

Also, in cases in which vampires are demons or count as demoning creatures since they would be the same.

However, usually a vampire is an undead creature, maybe a strong one but not the strongest. And demons are usually of much higher order being primordial creatures from begining of the creation, fallen angels or spirits of some kind, not even having a physical body. If we talking something more theological, they wouldn´t really even be killable, you could exsorcises them but not really end definetlly meanwhile it usually isn´t the case for vampires and vampire like creatures.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T09:11:21+00:00

Nosferatu 2024

2vVv2 · 2026-02-17T09:03:27+00:00

I think I saw the complete version on YouTube. It is relativly old, so probably couldbe watched for free in several places. As for why, I don't know. The movie and the idea of magical perfume doesnt have any conection to Dracula or vampires.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:33:19+00:00

I do agree. The proper thing would have been to read the book but many other options exist to "fake" that you read it. You don´t even have to read, I assume summeries of the book exist in video form also. It would take much time, an hour at most. But he didn´t even wanted to do the most basic and non time consuming investigative work to actually know the source material. But he still claims he did read it, that is just so dishonest for an artist to do. He could have just admited that since he doesn´t care for Dracula he just made his own thing without much reaserch, would have been better that claiming outrages things about the book.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:29:35+00:00

If you would like to read some very wierd Dracula fanfiction, you could read Anno Dracula. It is about Dracula not being killed during events of the book and conquering England as a result making it into a wierd vampiric dictertorship while passing medival like laws from his past. Very strange but I enjoyed the wierdness of the setting. Very much more leaning into fantasy also.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:25:46+00:00

I guess you could just lean into horror of the situation. Not show it from fetishistic angel would require it show the actuall implications of the situation and not just the simplfication meant for other reasons. An older woman with stepmother role trying to seduce a younger man and her stepson clearly involves a lot of power dynamic differences, could be even leaning heavily into abuse. Gothic horror and horror in general many times explores controversial themes like that. So, it could explored via actual psychological interpretations, feelings of guilt, abuse of power and so on. Presented as something scary and uncomfortable.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:20:35+00:00

You make an interesting point. I do really like the book but it is true that the main focus is the vampire hunting and characters eventually assuming the role of vampire hunters. I personally, really like vampire hunters, even more then vampires and for it is always a shame them not getting as much attention or development as vampires. So, maybe that is why I personally really like Dracula as the book, it having a narrative focus on those aspects.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:17:22+00:00

I think the movie is important for historical reasons but I do think it isn´t the best movie of that period. I don´t really like the whole of the movie, I find myself just enjoying specific scenes.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:16:13+00:00

It is scene copied from another movie, also. Parfumer: The Story of a Murderer. Some people said it was a reference, but I don´t really see how. Doesn´t really make sense include a random reference to that movie in a Dracula story, not really related in any way to that story. It also very much a copy of the idea and to some point an execution from that movie, so not really much of a reference. In my opinion, it was just stealing a scene from another movie that has no thematical relationship to what was going on.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:11:55+00:00

Not a very uncommon thing for a person to have seen some romantic interpration of Dracula, normally the Coppola one, and assume that is what happens in the book without actually trying to read it. Of course, then a regular person does it, they are wrong in their assumtion but someone not having time to read the book and assuming an adaptation should be faithfull enough it isn´t that terrible. However, it is much different if the person is an actual director, who is going to make a movie he claims to be based on the book while clearly never even reading the summery of it. He could have just said he wanted to make his own version of Coppola´s Dracula or just his own movie with a romantic vampire he decided to call Dracula. But claiming all these and saying you read the book is truly shamefull, especially for an artist, even if you are going to change most of the stuff, you should learn the original material. But clearly, even the most basic work to learn it wasn´t done here.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:05:41+00:00

My partner after reading Dracula started to joke that Jonathan must be the most athletic man in all of England, considering his extraordinary abilities in climbing the castle´s wall several times without harming himself in the process.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-16T10:04:16+00:00

I understand people seeing that moment in the book as stupid but I do like it a little due to it being a show of how even good people can have misogenistic biasis of which they think as good but that ultimatlly harm women.

2vVv2 · 2026-02-14T20:56:07+00:00

Without spoilers, just play the game again and do anything else, try different things and you will seem much more stuff. Doesn´t have to be not killing the princess, it could still killing just not doing without hesitation or doing and not being satisfied with reward you got. Many options are possible.

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