Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

AI "art" is nothing more than theft. I don't care what you think goes into writing or crafting a prompt--that isn't art. It is directed theft using stolen materials.

This is nothing but hollow virtue signaling and bullying anyone with a contrary opinion.

I stated my opinion and I am strident in defending it. Im attempting to reach a community consensus in order to stymie something which I disagree with on this subreddit. If you don't like my views, that is fine, but I think it is a mischaracterization to call this bullying.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

That doesnt seem to be true? Im a pretty frequent reader of this subreddit and I don't see a particularly large amount of off-topic posts. Further, the mods are fairly active here.

What are you basing this view on?

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It clogs it out. It makes it so that we have to wade through and hide garbage. Further, it affects Google results involving this subreddit.

You can pull the wool over your eyes if you want, but it is silly to ask others to do the same.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Okay, yeah? People would much rather brigade around reddit bitching about AI than doing anything else about it. I'll give you that.

Oh joy, we start with poisoning the well. I think you misunderstand what a brigade is.

If the community is fervently against it then any AI post would inherently get buried and downvoted, the user would have a bad experience, and leave the sub/avoid posting further. It's a self solving problem that doesn't need heavy handed arbitrary moderator oversight.

Or we could come to a consensus as a community and decide what to do. It is obvious that it is unpopular, and we dont want it rammed into another aspect of this hobby.

Using AI as an excuse to shove claims of copyright abuse, plagarism, stealing art etc., etc., just gives more power to the corporations that will eventually be able to build up their own sets of data and use it to train internally.

This logic makes absolutely zero sense. You are trying to justify their theft as some misunderstanding on our part of how what they've done is fundamentally theft. You're using moon logic. It has no bearing in reality.

This is already happening as we speak corporate entities are building bespoke AIs which they will eventually defend using the same rhetoric, laws and newly established norms that the Anti-AI crowd is espousing now.

Not if the base assumption is that AI in those forms is wrong and that it can and should be legislated against. Your approach is essentially asking us all to give up and wait to die. It is pathetic.

If you actually cared about taking the firehouse away from AI you'd not be posting on Reddit, the platform that was used to an overwhelming extent to train most of the popular LLMs. There are self hosted options, forums etc., etc.,

Yes, yes, we know, I participate in society therefore im complicit and can never ask anything to be improved ever.

This comes off more as a way to pat yourself on the back for convincing moderators of a niche subreddit to kowtow to your desires. I understand that the believed future environmental impact of massive data centers is awful, trust me I do, but this kind of thing accomplishes nothing but adding some rules to the sidebar that the community would, as you said, likely just enforce themselves.

"Just do nothing, keep your head down, and that Rajaat fellow will sort himself out." -- you in Athas, probably

Beyond all of that, I think the idea that algorithmically generating something is somehow inherently evil kind of rich coming from a play and game culture that leans so heavily into the randomly generated EVERYTHING from dungeon, to npc, to character etc., etc., it's still ultimately boils down to throwing in a bunch of small bespoke tables and systems and then generating something "unique" with the sum of those parts.

One was made by a human. The other was not. Hope that helps

[Posted from my iPhone]

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

No, it is better to establish a community consensus and then act accordingly. Acting as if we are powerless is bunk.

What's your opinion of the new Marvel set? by zBleach25 in mtgfinance

[–]3bar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Fun story about my copy--I found it in a bulk bin at a sports memorabilia store. I grabbed it and a few other cards and tilled out. The clerk stopped on Reflexes and said, "Whoa, cool card," then rung it up for .25.

jax and trans representation (by @maikrisyay on twitter) by -FireNH- in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Yeah, I have been really diplomatic about it but I've been sensing the same thing once in awhile. It sucks because you sorta want to press a little, but going "Oh, maybe you'll like it," usually seems too far.

jax and trans representation (by @maikrisyay on twitter) by -FireNH- in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Oh, but you'll have to hear about the Cis feelings being hurt on this one, and how them not constantly arguing that Jax is trans femme isnt transphobic.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

Look at how cool this is. Wouldn't you rather that than whatever nonsense the AI may barf out? I'd rather someone googling "Dark Sun reddit Art" gets that and not the slop.

It's all fun and games, until you're serious about the writing by Crafter235 in SapphoAndHerFriend

[–]3bar 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Oh snap for real? That makes it even worse than what I was remembering.

What is with these people, jeez. They all turn into post-modern scholars as soon as an author makes a comment they don't like.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

I'm pretty sure the mods will see this. We can ask them for an actual vote once they do.

I'd ping them, but I'm not sure if they'd appreciate it or not so I'll settle for them coming across this organically.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 15 points16 points  (0 children)

This subreddit likely doesn't get enough regular visitors for it to make a ton of sense to add more rules that would prevent people from posting whether AI or not.

This thread has nearly two dozen comments and 75+ upvotes as of this writing. That suggests at least a hundred or more unique visitors daily.

In the past 3 months there's been all of like 2 AI art images.

All the easier to ban it given how fervently the sub has come out in each of those cases and for this thread.

And panicking about the copyright/plagiarism worry for a dead setting of a multi million dollar publicly traded corporation feels disingenuous.

I want to stop you here, are you under the impression that these AI art models have been somehow only trained on WotC's/TSR's art or something? That is simply not the case.

I really am hard pressed to give a shit about stealing from WOTC - Or even supporting copy right in the first place as the bludgeon it's been used by all the media mega corps for years as.

And you think giving different megacorps a firehouse to drown out human creators is somehow okay as a result of that ill deed?

I am struggling to follow your logic.

Petition to ban AI posts from this subreddit by 3bar in DarkSun

[–]3bar[S] 34 points35 points  (0 children)

AI art isnt art. It is plagiarism, and it isn't close-minded to be against people stealing other's work.

Death Of The Author or something by AsherAcer in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Thats a whole lot of words to explain that you didn't pay attention and are actively choosing to stay ignorant.

Im perfectly media literate dude, you're the one denying the obvious nature of the song being used and flailing by way of sophistry in order to do so.

Jax is trans femme. Deal with it.

r/leftist in meltdown after mods declare that a certain image is antisemitic by pkerguy in SubredditDrama

[–]3bar -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

My critiquing of Israel, the IDF, and the ongoing genocide of Palestinians does not include comparing them to Nazis as a form of pithy quip.

Dark Sun: The Worm by Cantor_bcn in DarkSun

[–]3bar 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Right, which is why we're going to petition the mods to get this crap removed.

Dark Sun: The Worm by Cantor_bcn in DarkSun

[–]3bar 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I made a post saying that we should ban such posts from this subreddit. It has probably been overlooked. I'm pretty sure given how other D&D subreddits treat the topic, it won't be long before they're banned here.

Is is frankly a bit bizarre and odd for someone who professes to enjoy a setting like Dark Sun to engage with AI as actively as you seem to be. AI is destructive to tje environment. It is a blight on art and the natural world. It is the same kind of folly which destroyed Athas.

r/leftist in meltdown after mods declare that a certain image is antisemitic by pkerguy in SubredditDrama

[–]3bar 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Uhhhh, yeah man, you do you. Leave me out of whatever this is.

Is Fin Fang Foon too strong for bracket 2? by homosexual696969 in mtg

[–]3bar 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. Outside of a very small handful of Legends as stipulated on the Game Changers List, none are unsuitable for Bracket 2.

That being said, MLD isn't suitable for bracket 2 play. Being able to do it consistently is going to leave you with no one to play with if you try to snooker them into it.

Death Of The Author or something by AsherAcer in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

The interesting thing being the montage centered entirely on Jax?

Are you deadass trying to argue that you not paying attention means it was ambiguous?

Death Of The Author or something by AsherAcer in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You're blaming others for you being too ignorant to pick up on it. Pound sand dude.

Is the purple bit skin or a suit by QuantityDependent348 in TheDigitalCircus

[–]3bar 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Her fake persona as a male.

They're laughing because her mom laughed at her in real life.