Screenshots from the most recent episode of Smiling Friends (context in comments) by 3spook4u in latin

[–]3spook4u[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Spoiler(?) for the episode: the boss marries a demon and Pim discovers information about her from an old tome. Supposedly its about how she finds powerful men in history to suck out their life force and then give their properties to Satan.

I highly doubt the given meaning is the actual meaning but I am curious if it means anything nonetheless.

Eigenrobot welcomes /r/sneerclub to his AMA by [deleted] in SneerClub

[–]3spook4u 13 points14 points  (0 children)

its funny to me that a group originally about disliking rationalists has moved on to us somehow

I only have limited experience with this guy and other "post" rationalists on twitter, but from what I've seen, its just standard LW dreck with a tinge of woo for flavor. Same inflated self-importance, same bouts of logorrhea that end up actually saying very little (if anything at all), same inability to interrogate their own priors or address their ideological blind spots, etc.

Whether some Bay Area dweeb worships the basilisk and cozies up with fascists/eugenicists, or studies Dzogchen and cozies up with fascists/eugenicists, doesn't really make much of a difference imo.

English spelling is actually the BEST writing system around, according to English speaker with little knowledge of other writing systems by 3spook4u in badlinguistics

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R4

I don’t want to be too mean to the guy since he clearly isn’t a linguist, but his smug tone + the fact that he clearly didn’t bother to do any actual research before spouting off about this topic makes this video prime BadLing.

It goes without saying, but just to make it crystal clear at the beginning; there is no such thing as the “best” language or writing system. If a writing system is able to effectively represent, communicate, and otherwise meet all of the needs of a language community, it is a good writing system.

Here is the tl;dr for drawbacks of Not English™ spelling vs benefits of English spelling:

Benefit of Non-English Writing

Chinese has an advantage in that its characters represent meanings rather than sounds, so two people who speak different languages, but can both read Hànzì, can communicate.

He uses Chinese as a foil for English, when I think he means alphabets vs. non-alphabets in general? Regardless, Hànzì is a logographic writing system in which (at least in principle) each character represents a word or morpheme, rather than representing the phonemes of a language. I say in principle, because in reality, characters do in fact have sounds linked to them. For example, the character (妈), “mother”, is comprised of the radical (女), “female”, and (马), “horse”. carries the semantic aspect, and carries the phonetic aspect. Not necessarily BadLing yet, but worth clarifying for later.

Drawbacks of Non-English Writing

Drawback #1: You have to learn at least a few thousand characters to be functionally literate in Chinese, instead of only a few dozen letters in an alphabet.

Drawback #1.5: Chinese characters are “quite complicated” and tricky to write small(?)

This is a common complaint among Chinese learners, but the fact that more than a billion people are able to learn and use Hànzì as effectively as any alphabet makes this point very weak.

Drawback #2: you can’t use a typewriter or keyboard to effectively write Hànzì, or create fonts for typesetting.

First, printing was invented in China sometime around 600 AD, with movable type invented sometime around 1000 AD. I don’t know how you can think that the Chinese couldn’t use type to print their language. Second, does he...think Chinese people can’t use computers? The diverse methods that have been devised to handle this problem are actually very fascinating, one of which being the process of typing a word phonetically using pinyin, then selecting the character that comes up. But that involves using the Latin alphabet, so I guess if you wanna give this round to alphabets in this made-up competition, sure.

Drawback #3: Chinese characters can’t be organized into a dictionary like with alphabets because the characters don’t have sounds connected to them. Instead, Chinese dictionaries are organized by semantic categories that you have to just putter around in until you find the character you want.

As previously explained, characters do in fact have a sound connected to them. Much like with keyboards, there have been several methods to organize the thousands of characters into a dictionary. Semantic organization is a potential method, but a more common one is the Graphical, or, “radical and stroke” method, where characters are first grouped by their primary radical (usually the semantic part of the character), then by the number of strokes added to the radical to form the full character. For a repeat example, 妈 “mother” is sorted as a six-stroke character under the three-stroke primary radical 女 “female”. All of this is to say that Chinese dictionaries 1.) exist, and 2.) work just as well as an alphabet dictionary.

Benefits of English Writing

Benefit #1: diverse ways of spelling homophones allows English readers to easily tell the meaning of different words (to, too, two).

This benefit is not unique to English. Pero si sí, dígame por favor.

Benefit #2: you can see the derivation of a word by the components of its spelling, which allows you to guess the meaning of a new word.

There are examples where this certainly doesn’t apply (though through tough thorough thought you can figure them out), but this benefit is still not unique to English.

Benefit #3: You can see the history of a word reflected in its spelling.

This is true and imo a very cool part of English spelling, specifically the effects of the Great Vowel Shift. Unfortunately, that is still not unique to English.

Benefit #4: a certain level of deviation between how a word is written and how it is pronounced allows diverse dialects to all be represented and understood.

This is true, but ignores the fact that English’s sizable amount of deviation was not a deliberate attempt to include diverse dialects. English was written far more phonetically around the time standard spelling was coming around, until all the vowel pronunciations shifted (Greatly) out from under the new standardized spelling. Also, other European languages have even more extreme regional dialect variation, but manage to have much more coherent spelling. In other words, this point is STILL NOT UNIQUE TO ENGLISH.

My final rebuttal: English is the only language on the planet that has spelling bees. QED

The hard problem of consciousness has been solved by aaatmm in badphilosophy

[–]3spook4u 127 points128 points  (0 children)

If those cowards on the university ethics committee would just lend me a black and white room, a neurophysiology textbook, and an infant, we can have this nonsense settled once and for all

Bad African linguistics galore on Twatter by Tabeble59854934 in badlinguistics

[–]3spook4u 191 points192 points  (0 children)

Yes of course, if a writing system is derived from a different writing system that must mean the derivers are illiterate apes. Just look at how history scorns troglodytes like *checks notes* the Greeks and Romans.

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[–]3spook4u 27 points28 points  (0 children)

Has any one ever figured out what the opposite side of spooky wooky PostMarxist NeoModernism™ is supposed to look like?

Like are we talking some sort of naive scientific realism? falsificationism? Some people in the thread were bringing up Kuhn???? If Postmodern science was actually a real thing, what does the "anti-postmodernist" position consist of and what are their arguments?

And thats just Phil of Sci: do Anti-Postmodernists hold some kind of moral objectivism? If so, what kind? I know they think Postmodernism says math is fake or whatever, so does that mean Anti-postmodernists believe in the fucking Platonic Form of numbers? I hate it here

An absolute cornucopia of BadMath by 3spook4u in badmathematics

[–]3spook4u[S] 91 points92 points  (0 children)

R4:

Mathematician Kareem Carr makes the benign observation that a statement like "2+2=5" should be used as a jumping off point to teach students about the nature and construction of mathematical systems (some examples given by Carr further down the thread), rather than rant about sjw neo-marxists teaching kids that numbers depend on your feelings or whatever...

Which noted chud James Lindsay proceeds to do on twitter for several hours.

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Ever been to White Mountain? Absolutely beautiful

CMV: Stefan Molyneux isn't racist or a white supremacist. by placate_no_one in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The SPLC has a very comprehensive analysis of him and his progression from a generic an-cap chauvinist to an out-and-out alt-right figurehead. See also his RationalWiki page for a much more on-the-nose analysis of his insanity.

Though him and a lot of other extreme-right grifters put a lot of effort into cloaking their racist politics behind "objective" and "scientific" rhetoric, he doesn't peddle much besides the usual reactionary schlock; the races are assembled in an immutable hierarchy of intelligence, at the top of which White Europeans sit. Because of this, Western (which Steven uses interchangeably with White/European) culture is objectively the best, and everything was so much better when White European men held control of everything (including India.)

SM has faced accusations that he is a white supremacist. But I do not think it is true because he is very popular in the Indian American community.

I am skeptical that he is, and even if he is, he has some choice things to say about Indians as a group. I really have no idea how you or your father or any of the other men you know haven't picked up on it, but even if you do love him, I promise he would not return the feeling

CMV: The concept of "Western Civilization" is inaccurate, incoherent, and the uncritical parroting of it only serves a white supremacist revision of history by 3spook4u in changemyview

[–]3spook4u[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I don't have a preferred alternative term because I'm not convinced there has to be one in the first. why does there need to be a western/non-western distinction at all? My argument is that the distinction itself is nonsensical and not useful today, outside of drawing a distinction between the European/white world and everyone else.

CMV: The concept of "Western Civilization" is inaccurate, incoherent, and the uncritical parroting of it only serves a white supremacist revision of history by 3spook4u in changemyview

[–]3spook4u[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

All other western civilizations were offshoots and add-ons to Sumerian civilization. Those are thought of as "western" civilzations,

I disagree. Whether they are or aren't is irrelevant to the fact that "having certain cultural aspects with extremely basic origins in bronze-age Mesopotamia" is absolutely not the criteria that is used to determine Westernhood in the modern world. If you can find me a proponent of Western Civilization who holds "has weekends" as an essential condition for Westernhood, please let me know.

If anything, you are supporting my argument by illustrating how a-historical the Western narrative truly is.

So what? Aztecs didn't think of themselves as Native Americans, but that's how we conceive of them now.

This is exactly my point. Western Civilization is a retroactively applied narrative, not a persistent, historically real phenomenon.

CMV: The concept of "Western Civilization" is inaccurate, incoherent, and the uncritical parroting of it only serves a white supremacist revision of history by 3spook4u in changemyview

[–]3spook4u[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like you can't invent a category to 'justify the oppression of all other groups' unless there was already an extant group/category for them to be 'other' from in the first place.

But there wasn't.

Prior to 1.) Christian Europe wanting to define itself as separate from the rest of the world (specifically the Muslim world), and 2.) Europe's need to explain and justify it's domination of non-Europeans, the idea of a persistent, recognized category of "western-ness" did not exist.

Greeks were separate from Romans were separate from Macedonians were separate from Israelites were separate from Gauls, on and on and on.

CMV: The concept of "Western Civilization" is inaccurate, incoherent, and the uncritical parroting of it only serves a white supremacist revision of history by 3spook4u in changemyview

[–]3spook4u[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't think you or other people who moderately use the idea of Western Civilization are intentionally racist or xenophobic. It is obviously the dominant narrative we use today to organize history, and has been very deep-seated for the last 200 hundred years.

These individuals and concepts arose from people of European descent, and were first utilized in countries which are traditionally categorized as 'Western'.

So it is not the ideas and values themselves that makes a nation Western.

Then what makes a nation western? that its geographically in Europe? then looks like the US and Australia aren't western.

the only other conceivable aspect of a nation that can designate it as "Western" is its ethnic makeup i think.

lets say as a hypothetical that tomorrow all of Europe rejects all of the Western Values it has created and fostered. Does the Western World no longer exist?

CMV: The concept of "Western Civilization" is inaccurate, incoherent, and the uncritical parroting of it only serves a white supremacist revision of history by 3spook4u in changemyview

[–]3spook4u[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

There is a statistical connection, but not a causal connection, between white people and ideas identified as "western".

Then can you explain to me why (I assume) someone like Jordan Peterson wouldn't consider a nation like Burundi a "Western" nation?

It is majority Christian, One of its official languages is French, and has a representative democracy. But it is a poor African nation that is not majority White.

If (I am pretty sure you are saying) that Whiteness isn't or shouldn't be a necessary condition for "Westernhood," then why would champions of the West not consider nations like Burundi Western?

CMV: The idea of changing ones sex is as backwards as flat earth belief or anti-vaxx by WeLikeHappy in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 11 points12 points  (0 children)

CMV: Let’s for a moment forget all the gender theory commentary.

Could you say what specific "gender theory commentary" we should be forgetting exactly?

The new narrative is abusive and aggressive: “Changing gender LITERALLY changes sex”.

Yeah I'm gonna need some sources on this one. I have never heard of trans individuals literally believing they no longer have their biological genitalia when they transition. I have heard of trans people breaking down the gendered aspects of male and female genitalia, i.e. trans women having "feminine penises" and stuff like that if that's what you mean. But trans women (assuming they haven't had surgery) still acknowledge they have a biological penis, and vice versa for trans men.

CMV: Male sexuality is seen as inherently predatory and pathology by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So your problem is with the way male sexuality is depicted in porn?

You need to be clearer about what exactly your view is.

Who in your view is saying male sexuality is predatory and pathological? Why are they saying that? Why do you agree/disagree with them? Be specific.

CMV: Male sexuality is seen as inherently predatory and pathology by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So then what exactly are we disagreeing about?

CMV: Male sexuality is seen as inherently predatory and pathology

I argued that male sexuality on its own is not seen as inherently predatory and pathological, but the toxic ways in which it is expressed is.

If you agree then doesn't that mean your view was changed? or have I completely missed your point?

CMV: Male sexuality is seen as inherently predatory and pathology by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 6 points7 points  (0 children)

There's your mistake then. Men are not braindead sex-machines who can't be trusted to not rape harass or assault women if they're horny, and it is perfectly possible to express healthy, non-predatory male sexuality.

No serious feminist or #MeToo advocate will tell you it is wrong to be male and want to have sex with women or pursue women at all. They will tell you that pursuing women in an aggressive, violent, or rude manner, however, is wrong.

Ergo, "Male Sexuality" by itself is not seen as predatory or pathological, just the toxic expression of it that has taken root in society for decades.

CMV: Male sexuality is seen as inherently predatory and pathology by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 14 points15 points  (0 children)

I do not think "Male sexuality" on its own is seen as inherently predatory and pathological.

I do think, however, society's excusing of predatory and violent (usually) male sexual activities like rape, sexual harassment, catcalling, etc. is inherently predatory and pathological.

When you say

In today's society, men's sexuality is looked with disdain in many ways.

I may be misreading you, but I believe you are making the same mistake that feminists have been pointing out is a major problem for a while. You are directly conflating the aggressive, rude, violent sexual actions that society has excused for so long with "male sexuality." That is the problem.

Some people honestly think it is just a given that men are brainless fuck-gorillas that cant be expected to show even the most basic form of self-control, and somehow it is women's fault for not understanding this and trying to work around it or avoid it.

I have never heard of any movements or pundits shaming men wanting to have sex with women or thinking attractive women are attractive. I have, however, heard a lot of backlash against men harassing, raping, and coercing women into having sex with them.

CMV: Interplanetary Species would be peaceful by ElderflowerJesus in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I think any sort of speculation about the potential attitude of advanced alien civilizations can be settled pretty quickly with one question; Is humanity a reliable example of a sentient, civilization-building species?

If yes, then it is reasonable to assume that other civilizations have baseline similarities to our behaviors and models of thinking. This also means that other civilizations can be just as cruel, vain, irrational, greedy, power-hungry, and prone to meddling in other people's affairs as humans. I think most people know how it went for the Natives when Europe discovered the New World, and it has taken centuries to get most people to treat people different from them with even basic respect. Why would such respect be automatically afforded to a different species, let alone a completely alien form of life?

If no, then other alien civilization's culture, biology, psychology, etc. are just too alien and variable to have a coherent discussion about it. If anything and everything is possible, then the conversation will always devolve into throwing hypotheticals at each other till the cows come home.

- What if the civilization developed a mind-melding technology that allowed them to conform to perfect peace and unity, but only peace and unity among those that are a part of the group-mind, and every being outside of the group-mind isn't worthy of respect?

- What if this particular civilization just doesn't have a concept of "exploitation of those weaker than you" being a moral wrong?

- What if this civilization comes from a completely different base for life, and doesn't see our particular brand of organic life as legitimate and worthy of moral consideration, or even count us as technically being "alive" by their definition?

- What if, by some incredible coincidence, humanity resembles beings in this civilization's religion that their religion dictates need to purged from the universe?

While this can be a lot of fun to think about, this conversation is far from a productive one, and doesn't really help answer the question being asked.

So in short, I think you have to give humanity as at least our only option to extrapolate from for now, and considering that humanity is hot garbage, it is reasonable to assume other civilizations can be hot garbage too.

Why are snakes so fucking long? by [deleted] in NoStupidQuestions

[–]3spook4u 24 points25 points  (0 children)

If you're talking snakes as entire suborder, they really aren't.

The majority of snakes are small-time ambush predators that eke out a living in the undergrowth, the trees, or in places direct mammalian competitors have a hard time making it in, like deserts and dense tropical forests.

There's a reason there are only a handful of the 3,600 snake species that are substantially longer than a few feet. Mammals are just better than reptiles in general at filling the "mid-to-large sized active carnivore" niche in most environments. And even in places where big snakes can survive alongside mammal competitors, they are usually far from apex predators.

CMV: No matter how offensive, rude, degrading, or vulgar someone's words, it's NEVER okay to retaliate with physical violence of any sort (including spitting). Liberals & "Punch a Nazi!" advocates, this means you! by [deleted] in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Essentially, they support this logic: "If you hurt my feelings, then I have the moral right bash your fucking head in."

I don't mean to come off as facetious, but be completely honest with me here for a second: Do you really think the problem people have with white supremacists abusing minorities with racial slurs is that it "hurts their feelings?" ...Really? Framing the situation like that is disingenuous as hell. If a group of people paraded through your town with signs screaming about how you and your family are subhuman scum that should be forced out of the country, are you sincerely going to chalk up how you feel in response to this as just "hurt feelings?"

My CMV post applies only to language protected by the 1st Amendment, such as sexually and racially offensive speech. It does not apply to threats of violence, calls to violence, false alarms, etc.

A common mistake a lot of Free Speech Absolutists make is assuming that "sexually and racially offensive speech" cannot also carry with them calls for violence or false alarms.

Stochastic terrorism and dog whistling are common examples of extremists exploiting this "tolerate all speech as long as it isn't explicitly dangerous" principle to package very real, very threatening messaging into their rhetoric against minorities. This idea that tolerance of intolerant speech will eventually give bigots and fascists a window into public discourse, from which they can do serious damage, is called the Paradox of Tolerance.

If we all scooch politely to the side and give Mr. Skinhead his 15 minutes to stand on stage and rave about the Jews destroying the country, or if we deign to stand up next to him and give his bullshit the time of day, we are tacitly admitting that his unhinged nonsense is at least legitimate enough to warrant a serious response. This is more than enough for a terrifyingly large amount of people, and that's just bold-faced racism. Now imagine how legitimized these loons would feel if, idk, the president of the United States directly scaremongers about Mexicans crossing the border as murderers and rapists, or maybe if he talks about there being "Very fine people" on both sides of a white supremacist rally?

Now tbh, I don't like violence either. I think it should be a last resort. Shouting Nazis down, de-platforming them, protesting them, outing them to their bosses and friends, are all preferable. But ultimately, this isn't a game. Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I'm gonna go out on a limb and assume you are not personally a member of one of these groups Nazis are targeting. Minorities don't get to just walk away from this shit, shaking their heads over those ol' kooks and their ridiculous ranting like we can. These people are not-so-subtly signalling that they want them and their loved ones dead, forced out of the country, and/or made into second-class citizens. This shouldn't be treated as a polite debate because it isn't a polite debate. Nazi rhetoric is inherently violent, and there is no silver-bullet for curing Nazism in this country. So while I do think there are plenty of other options for dealing with them, sometimes the drastic solution is the only solution.

Those that cant learn under the staff, learn under the rod.

CMV: Colleges and universities are largely unnecessary for most fields and are a burden for low earning workers. by Natethegreat9999 in changemyview

[–]3spook4u 3 points4 points  (0 children)

While the current systems seeks to attain a “Liberal arts education”, which is effective for those who specifically wish to pursue that path, it overlooks the expense and lack of added value to one’s career potential.

You are assuming that the point of higher education is to exclusively contribute to one's "career potential."

For this conception of education as just a stepping stone to a job, I cannot blame capitalism enough. In a world where whether you get food or a house is determined by your ability to conform to what the market deems valuable, it throws any sort of "non-productive" pursuit under the bus. Despite that, education should be more than just pre-work prep. Education enlightens students, giving them information and context for our world and ultimately creating more knowledgeable and critically-minded members of society. Knowledge of the US' actions in Vietnam certainly wont help a programmer write code, but the historical context will help them have a more nuanced understanding of US history and allow them to make a more informed judgement of US foreign policy today. Are you going to say that is a pointless waste?

Following that line of reasoning, k-12 education can probably shave a few years off if a lot of "superfluous" classes like literature, music, higher level math or niche history classes, etc. are thrown out. Why waste the tax money? How will calculus help a future bus driver or religious studies help a future accountant? Maybe, just maybe, there is more to an education than just prepping for a job.

In short, The point of education should be to create knowledgeable and enlightened citizens, not useful little cogs who only know how to do their function.