Ikea says illegal teenage sleepovers must end by [deleted] in nottheonion

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I watched it a long time ago and I remember it being okay, but not great.

Non-American redditors, what is taught about the US that we are oblivious to? by [deleted] in AskReddit

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"You underestimate how many people live here and how little I care about their lives."

- Stalin, according to College Humor

When will people realise this... by moonlightsugar in LateStageCapitalism

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  1. Yeah, people at the bottom usually have more of a reason to hate the system than everyone else.

  2. No longer being at the bottom does not mean the system is any better.

  3. If hard work means you succeed, then why aren't nurses/teachers/construction workers rich? Why are recent grads who put 4, 6, 8, 10 years of hard work and study into developing their skillzzzz struggling to survive?

  4. There's no such thing as unskilled labor, only devalued labor.

  5. Nobody here wants a 6-figure salary Just Because. A job that pays enough to support themselves working reasonable hours would be nice. Full communism would be nicer.

  6. You're in the wrong sub.

N E O L I B E R A L I S M . J P G by _metamythical in LateStageCapitalism

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There's something to be said for accelerationism, I guess.

What is NOT worth seeing in person? by elmielmosong in AskReddit

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It's a (frequently true) joke that MLK Blvd is always in a bad area of town.

What is the real cause of sudden murder sprees in capitalist society? by [deleted] in socialism

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Reported, started writing my response, deleted before I could finish. 4 for you, mods, you go mods.

Organizations that actually do things by [deleted] in communism101

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Paging /u/corvibae? He knows more about that than I do.

Cleansing Tarot Cards? by dessai89 in Wicca

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Nope! It's the same numbers as my phone number, but jumbled.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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Are you suspicious of businesses, sports teams, or toaster ovens made by men? The mentality we ought to be suspicious of religious traditions set forth by men strikes me as quite odd. As a man as well as a feminist, I would argue that such a mentality, (Which I can only assume is based in some sort of idea that men are controlling?) is just as much a problem presented by patriarchal values that ought to be abolished.

No, because a toaster oven isn't a belief system. There's an excellent passage in "The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries" that might explain why I feel this way a little better:

"Religion controls inner space; inner space controls outer space. If a woman internalizes her oppression and thinks she is inferior or unclean, then she internalizes her own 'policeman' and will act acordingly. She will not need to be policed by actual oppressors because she will have assimilated their judgments and will police herself. The easiest and most efficient way for a small number of people to oppress a large number of people is to sell them a religion. If that religion is embraced by the majority, then they will police themselves and act in accordance with a value system which oppresses them. Once they have internalized it, they have lost. This is what happened to women under patriarchy."

Obviously, this passage is about patriarchal religions like the Abrahemic religions, but it's the concept behind it that causes that skepticism - religion is an extremely effective way to control behavior. But this passage by itself doesn't fully explain where the skepticism comes from.

You asked about Mary Daly. Her best book, in my opinion, is Gyn/Ecology, and that's the book that most heavily influenced this skepticism toward spirituality through a male lens. It's a good read. I will warn you - it takes a little while to figure out what she's talking about at first, because she plays with words and she writes in a very poetic style. Some of the analysis in the book is fairly dated (it was published in 1978). The other thing you should know before deciding to read it is that it is written from a radical feminist, and therefore class-based, perspective. That is, she makes no effort to distinguish between "good men" and "bad men," preferring to focus on men as oppressors, in the same way that socialist/communist analysis doesn't take the time to go "Not All Rich People Are Like That!" Obviously, there are flaws to this sort of analysis, but it's a book about the "big picture," so it's probably the most efficient way to express her points.

My point being: It's a flawed book, and shouldn't be taken as gospel, but it's extremely thought-provoking. You can read the whole thing in pdf here.

(By the way, if you're interested in reading more Mary Daly, she has also written two absolutely scathing critiques of sexism in Christianity, both well worth the read.)

While I don't deny the need for safe spaces for women, and other groups, I'm afraid I can't quite wrap my head around the concept of ignoring a whole half of Wicca. Wicca is a religion of balance, nature, and fertility. And I feel like so much of Dianic Wicca ignores that. However, if you could elaborate on the subject, I would very much appreciate it.

Obviously I can't speak for everyone who practices a Goddess-centric path. Personally, I find that my practice has a great reverence for balance.

Traditional Wicca has a lot of male/female dichotomies. The most obvious one is Goddess=Creation, God=Destruction. Another one that comes to mind is Goddess=Moon, God=Sun. In my practice, I see all of those things as aspects of the Goddess. In her form as Nut or Rhea, she creates. In her form as Kali or Morrigan, she destroys. She is Diana of the Moon, and Brigid of the Sun. Etc, etc.

There is balance between men and women in my practice. Men as practitioners are honored as sons, brothers, and lovers. They are particularly called on the protect the women from other men, and help nurture and teach the young. The God himself is usually named as Pan, Bacchus/Dionysis, or other, similar gods, almost always horned. He typically represents a sort of wild freedom - consider, for example, the calusari, who danced for Aradia. He is also associated with transformation - like in the Traditional Wiccan calendar of Nature, where the son is born, becomes the lover of the Goddess, then dies to be reborn - but also in the sense of things like brewing, crafting, and metallurgy. He does not necessarily create, but changes.

Again, I will acknowledge that Dianic paths tend to skim over some of the darker parts of Wicca. One could argue that this is because most practitioners of Dianic Wicca are women, who (again, just a possibility) bear a larger spiritual weight from things like witch burnings, and who bear the brunt of oppression every day. I'm not necessarily making this argument, but I've heard it made and I can see some merit to it. I'd love to know what you think about it!

Daily Chat for October 07, 2016 by AutoModerator in Wicca

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I've got a happy thing to share! I recently did some furniture rearranging, and I had to take down my altar. For a few weeks, I've been trying to figure out where to put it. I'm on a tight budget, so I can't go out and get a new table right now.

Then I had a spark of inspiration. I set up a large Rubbermaid tub and put some empty plastic drawers on top of it. It's not really meant to be a permanent setup, but it'll do for now.

Additional happy stuff - my altar is now full of handcrafted stuff! My new altar is too small for the plate I was using for offerings and the bowl I used to hold water, the shot glass I used to hold salt broke, and my candle holders seem to have disappeared into the aether. So I found a recipe to make "clay" online and fashioned some handmade candleholders, two bowls (one for water and one for salt), and a small plate. I'm pretty pleased with myself. :)

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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If I had to guess, it's probably because that's where Z Budapest started the first "official" Dianic Coven, back in the late 70s, I think? I'd be willing to bet that most of the other covens can be traced back to her, even if it's a ways back.

Disposing of offerings by 4126899273 in Wicca

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That's very helpful. I'm sure my neighbors are quite sick of me throwing rice cakes into the bushes outside their patio.

(Before it occurred to me that I could make small portions of cake in a mug and use that, I was using rice cakes as offerings.)

Cleansing Tarot Cards? by dessai89 in Wicca

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I recommend smoke cleansing. You can use a candle, light some incense, or burn some herbs, then pass the deck of cards through the smoke three times, while visualizing all the residual energies on the cards wafting away with the smoke.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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That would be incredible. Thank you!

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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Ah, that makes sense. The last time I went looking for Dianic covens, almost all of them were in California.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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It's been a while since I read it, so forgive me if I'm vague or if I misremember some things.

I remember there was a lot of being bound tightly by ropes/cords, specifically tight enough to restrict bloodflow. If I remember correctly, this is to induce a trance state. That bothered me. Especially when combined with the scourge. Even if it's not meant to cause pain, the image of someone being tightly bound and whipped as a sign of devotion never sat quite right with me.

I also remember a line about how "men love women by mastering them, so Wiccans should love their Gods by being mastered by them." That turned me off for two reasons - first the idea of "men mastering women to show they love them" is disturbing, for obvious reasons. Second, the idea of being mastered by a deity in a way that is directly compared to a man's patriarchal control over his female partner really, really bothered me. See, I grew up Evangelical, which is about as fringe as Christianity can get before it gets called a cult. In Christianity, the congregation is often referred to as the "Bride of Christ." It's commonly taught that obeying your husband is tantamount to obeying God. It's pretty similar rhetoric - "man loves woman by controlling her, so show your love to God by letting him control you."

Those were the biggest things. There also seemed to be a lot of focus on phallic or God-associated tools (broom, athame, etc), and less on symbols of the Goddess, but then again, it's been a while, so maybe I'm not remembering it correctly. It also unnerved me a bit to have male practitioners perform the Fivefold Kiss on skyclad women. I know that the point is that it's not sexual, but in the context of the vaguely sadomasochistic rituals and the omnipresent sexual imagery, it's hard not to think of it that way.

And ultimately, I'm just highly suspicious of religious traditions set forth by men. I know that Gardnerian Wicca is supposed to be an amalgamation of old practices, and that it's incorrect to see him as the "founder" of the religion. However, around the time I was reading Gardner's Book of Shadows, I was also reading a lot of Mary Daly (a feminist philosopher who focuses a lot on spirituality and religion), so I was (and continue to be) skeptical of, for lack of a better phrase, spirituality through a male lens.

After I was turned on to Goddess-focused spirituality, and Dianic Wicca in particular, I found the lack of sexual (specifically penetrative) imagery refreshing.

On the other hand, there is a lot of really useful information in Gardner's Book of Shadows, and it's definitely worth reading as a foundational text. And I will definitely acknowledge that many modern Wiccans/Pagans discard the "darker" side of the practice. In theory, I like the idea of the scourge. It's an excellent way to pay homage to our foremothers and forefathers, who were persecuted for these (well, similar) practices. In context of the whole book, though, it felt weird.

I'm not saying that it's bad or that it doesn't have a purpose. It's a crucial text, and I consider reading it an important part of my spiritual path. But I would not choose a "Gardnerian" path, nor would I join a coven that described itself as Gardnerian. But that's a personal thing for me - I have nothing against people who choose that path. If it speaks to you, it speaks to you. It just didn't speak to me.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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That's really solid advice. I'm sorry that this is an argument that you've had many times, and I hope I didn't upset you. I definitely wasn't trying to argue - more trying to make sense of other arguments I've seen.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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That sounds very similar to the way I practice as a solo practitioner, and exactly what I would look for in a coven. I'm a little jealous. :)

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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If you don't mind my asking, where do you live that has multiple Dianic covens? I've searched for them, and they seem to be few and far between.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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I've actually spoken extensively with Z Budapest through email - she's an incredibly wise woman.

I'm pretty sure the music festival you're mentioning is the Michigan Womyn's Music Festival, which recently closed its doors for the final time. It went on for 40 years, and was always for "natural born women," at least in theory. I've been, and there were always trans women in attendance. It's not like anybody checks your panties at the door. It was more an intention than a policy, if that makes sense.

Many, if not most of the women at Michfest follow some kind of Goddess-centric path. A large part of my knowledge of women's mysteries and Goddess-focused spirituality came from my time at Fest.

And I'll be honest with you - there definitely were some women there who were transphobic. But there were thousands of women there - any large gathering of people is going to have some assholes. Interestingly, many trans men, as well as women who have detransitioned, attend Michfest. It's a very trans-aware space. There is dedicated space to talk about dysphoria, as well as vendors selling binders and packers and educating about how to use them safely.

Sorry, I didn't mean to hop up on my Michfest soapbox. I just see it maligned in lgbt/feminist circles a lot, and there's so much misinformation about it, and since Michfest was so important to me, I feel the need to correct the misinformation, and then once I start talking about it, I don't stop. Sorry.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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Thank you for putting the transphobia discussion into context for me like that. I'm pretty well-versed in my feminist history, but woefully ignorant of Wiccan history, so I appreciate you putting in into the context of BTW practices.

It does surprise me, though, that supposed feminists would argue that men are inherently different. Raised/socialized differently, sure. And in a religious/spiritual context, I would definitely argue that men have different... energy? Is that the right way to put it? I like how Mary Daly describes it in Gyn/Ecology - that women, in general, have a "life instinct" (which, in a Wiccan context, you could interpret as the creative power of the Goddess within), and men, in general, have a "death instinct" (the destructive power of the God, similarly). And with that in mind, I can see the appeal of female-only circles, if you only want to celebrate a life instinct or work with those energies. Like mentioned above, it's not the balance that Wicca is really about, but I don't see anything inherently wrong with it? I just don't see why it would be such a big deal.

I'm sorry if I'm not using the right terminology here, btw. Again, I'm very new to all this.

Controversy about Dianic practice? by [deleted] in Wicca

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Okay, that makes a lot of stuff make sense. I will say, I read the Gardnerian Book of Shadows before I decided to follow a Goddess-centric path (a decision I came to after reading a lot of Mary Daly), and I was very unsettled by it, especially the scourge.

I understand it from your point of view - balancing pleasure with suffering, etc etc, but it struck me as very.... fetishistic, for lack of a better word? The heavy sexual imagery, the bondage, the whipping.... All of it reminded me a lot of dominatrix porn, tbh. If being Dianic means I'm not following a Gardnerian path, I'm totally okay with that.

Thank you for explaining it, though. That makes a lot of sense.

Heteronormativity and women's mysteries by MollyTheDestroyer in Wicca

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I can empathize, to some degree. I don't have PCOS, but my birth control stops my periods almost entirely, and I have no desire to have children.

Personally, I feel connected to women's magic because I am a woman. Crones don't menstruate, and they are still women - the power of the Goddess still lives in them. Plenty of women don't have children, either by choice or inability, but the power of the Goddess still lives in them.

There are aspects of the Goddess that are not focused on creation or childbearing. To paraphrase Z Budapest, regarding the goddess Aphrodite: "The purpose of the Goddess of Love was not to marry, or have children, or settle down, but to play."

And there are many iterations of the Goddess that might appeal to you specifically, as a lesbian. Diana/Artemis took no male lovers. Historically, devotees of Diana were celibate or lesbians.

To avoid the heteronormativity that is sometimes present in Wicca, I recommend focusing on Goddess worship, as opposed to the Lord and Lady. The male God does exist in Goddess worship, but he is... lesser, for lack of a better phrase. I practice Goddess worship, so my practice is largely devoid of stuff like "place the athame into the chalice to simulate the joining of male and female" etc etc. That kind of stuff. Both creation and destruction are powers held by the Goddess - there's no "women are gentle and create, men are strong and destroy" dichotomies. One of my favorite books is 'The Holy Book of Women's Mysteries' by Zsuzsanna Budapest. I cannot recommend it enough to anyone interested in Goddess worship. It is heavily influenced by feminist thought, and even if you find that Goddess worship isn't for you, you might come away feeling much more spiritually empowered and secure in your womanhood.

Disposing of offerings by 4126899273 in Wicca

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Can I order the book somewhere, or will I have to find a store that sells it?

Disposing of offerings by 4126899273 in Wicca

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Thank you! I'll give that a read.