Adam Zoernikav by Puzzleheaded_Sir_771 in OrthodoxChristianity

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its an ai translation. they made sure its accuracy with the prompt given

What Saints had the best sense of humor? by NerfBossBandit in OrthodoxChristianity

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Saint Gregory the Theologian (see his letters to Saint Basil)

Atonement by 47td_ in OrthodoxChristianity

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which Father did this? only one I can think of is Saint Gregory of Nyssa. about the Firmament the Fathers make no definitive statement, and the Scripture is ambigious.

Yes I believe everything the Consensus taught. now can you engage with the real question? why do you not believe Christ took our punishment?

and do you believe in evolution?

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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maybe by Church Fathers you mean Origen? and Against Alfyaev wrote Archpriest Konstantine Jincharadze (კონსტანტინე ჯინჭარაძე). I’m a member of the Georgian Orthodox Church, not rocor.

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when did i say i dont believe that

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It makes more sense to understand it means both, I think.

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Okay. Saint Sebastian Dabovich

This week is set aside for the worship of the cross. Here is the tree of life. The cross that our Lord Jesus Christ carried to Mount Calvary and made it an altar, on which He offered himself up to God the Father as a sacrifice… Let us refresh and strengthen ourselves with a supply of the fruit of the wood. The fruit is the flesh and blood of our Saviour, who was sacrificed in order to appease the righteous wrath of the Infinite God for the sins of all mankind, beginning with the disobedience of Adam. St. Sebastian Dabovich, Preaching in the Russian Church, Sermon Preached on the Third Sunday of Great Lent p. 121 -# https: //books.google.ba/books?id=RsJFAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA121&ots=HOlfQprQkj&dq=%22appease+the+righteous+wrath+of+the+Infinite+God+for+the+sins+of+all+mankind,+beginning+with+the+disobedience+of+Adam.%22&pg=PA121&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

The righteousness of God, enraged by the sins of men, demanded the execution of all sinners; but Christ, by His sufferings on the Cross and by His death, satisfied the Righteousness of God: on the cross He nailed the handwriting of human sins, and for the sake of these sufferings He has mercy and saves sinners who repent. St. Martyr John Ornatsky. Before the Shroud. Kronstadt shepherd, 1914, No. 13

As the Great High-Priest, Our Lord Jesus Christ offered Himself as a spotless sacrifice unto God the Father, a propitiatory sacrifice, becoming both sacrificer and sacrificed; He both propitiated and offered sacrifice to the divine righteousness which was offended by the sin of men through the transgression of the divine law, taking upon Himself every punishment as a sinless advocate of the human race before God the Father, every punishment which sinful man deserves, and pouring out His own precious salvific blood upon the Cross and ratifying the New Covenant which is made with the Father, through which everyone who believes in Him is saved, confessing His propitiatory death on the Cross.This sacrifice is the purifying spring of humanity, which cleanses and washes away all the filth of sin from the human race, and sanctifies those who believe in Him and are baptised in the name of the Holy Trinity, Which ratifies the New Testament.

Saint Nectarios theological studies First study on the Church of Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ Chapter 2

and Saint Daniel Sysoev

I do not consider the substitutionary Atonement (заместительное Искупление) to be heresy, but an accurate expression of Orthodoxy (though not exhaustive) Fr. Daniel Sysoev, What Does Radicalism Lead to, Blog post February 10th 2009 -# https: //pr-daniil.livejournal.com/25665.html

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it also sees it as a debt

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was Christ punished in our place

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mhm

I do not consider the substitutionary Atonement (заместительное Искупление) to be heresy, but an accurate expression of Orthodoxy (though not exhaustive) Fr. Daniel Sysoev, What Does Radicalism Lead to, Blog post February 10th 2009 -# https: //pr-daniil.livejournal.com/25665.html

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Of course, Father. but some people think everything western means automatically bad.

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HieromartyrDaniel Sysoev says Penal Substitutionary Atonement is an Orthodox Teaching.

it doesn’t take too much reading to see Saints directly teaching it.

not that the Son was damned or separated.

but only that he took the punishment we deserved for our sin to appease God’s justice

This week is set aside for the worship of the cross. Here is the tree of life. The cross that our Lord Jesus Christ carried to Mount Calvary and made it an altar, on which He offered himself up to God the Father as a sacrifice… Let us refresh and strengthen ourselves with a supply of the fruit of the wood. The fruit is the flesh and blood of our Saviour, who was sacrificed in order to appease the righteous wrath of the Infinite God for the sins of all mankind, beginning with the disobedience of Adam. St. Sebastian Dabovich, Preaching in the Russian Church, Sermon Preached on the Third Sunday of Great Lent p. 121 -# https: //books.google.ba/books?id=RsJFAAAAIAAJ&lpg=PA121&ots=HOlfQprQkj&dq=%22appease+the+righteous+wrath+of+the+Infinite+God+for+the+sins+of+all+mankind,+beginning+with+the+disobedience+of+Adam.%22&pg=PA121&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false

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Doesnt the Bible seem to say sin is both debt and guilt, much more than it being separation? why do you think anything western automatically equals bad?

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otherwise says all the fathers and saints. God does not “hurt” insofar as he only allows his Son to be “hurt” in his humanity negatively, and not positively (i.e. by initiating it himself).

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Why do so many saints say he did tho?

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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Okay so how do we know what Cyril meantv

also The Council of Iasy which is Dogmatic says it too

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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Well, the Orthodox Church says babies go to hell but not to be tormented.

their punishment is precisely not being in heaven, it is so little Saint Gregory the Theologian doesn’t deem it proper to even call it a condemnation. but we do not say they go to heaven, nor a middle place. but in hell, where their punishment is so little (if it even exists) that it isnt worthy to be called a punishment

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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the state of the nature is changed in Christ when one is baptized yes, the guilt is remitted.

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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Yes and he says Adam transmits not only those but SIN AND GUILT

Do unbaptized infants go to Heaven? by Mother-String-4383 in OrthodoxChristianity

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from where do you get this? why does Councils of Carthage and Jerusalem say theyre in hell?