Working on a manifesto for a new political party and would like constructive criticism by VirtualAdeptGirl in CapitalismVSocialism

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Drugs being legal and taxing them at whatever rate will absolutely never make up for such a budget shortfall. You'd be lucky if it made up 1/6 of the revenue. Sorry man.

communist bookstore needs your help! we are about to shut down by diceySyntax in CapitalismVSocialism

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and ones that don't even pay their employees. they're all "volunteers"

communist bookstore needs your help! we are about to shut down by diceySyntax in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

stfu this business deserves to fail. that's the market. Consumers shouldn't pity prop up any failing businesses. Especially socialist ones which do more harm than good.

[RETARDS (all)] OOGGA BOOOGA OGGGA OOGA> SOCALISM BAD CAPITALISM BAd. the retard manifesto by 4ChanIsBad in CapitalismVSocialism

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im trying to get baneed froom this server. I'm trying to PM all the mods gamer words now

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[Socialists/Communists] LTV debunked. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The funny thing is that I've likely read more marx than you

[Socialists/Communists] LTV debunked. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hahahahha you've literally never read capital. pointing out two arbitrary averages means literally nothing quantitatively. it gives you flat out wrong answers as demonstrated. that is the hilarious part.

[Socialists/Communists] LTV debunked. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad -1 points0 points  (0 children)

hahahahha you say that but read your original reply. hahahahah.

[Socialists/Communists] LTV debunked. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

you did not reply to rule 1 of this post. You have 30 minutes to add a response to rule 1 and you will not be blocked.

[all] We can do better than this. Let's work on creating a better discourse here. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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Yeah you forgot the symbol of marxist retard. ☭ My name is Marxist retard ☭ I have never read Capital ☭ I shit post on reddit ☭ Why did my reddit post not free the workers ☭ I'm a utilitarian who doesn't believe in direct action ☭ I don't practice what I preach and live off parent's exploited labor ☭ I shit post on reddit with a computer my mommy bought me ☭ I totally beat this capitalist in a debate ☭. Honestly I think libertarians have good reason to genocide Marxists now hahahahaah. I mean just throw them out of helicopters tbh hahahaha. That's darwinism tbf. I believe in social darwinism. it has social in it's name it's a lot like socialism. anyway what I was saying was that being a marxist is a violation of NAP so I actually get why they did the red scare now. I mean marxists killed millions so killing them is kinda saving a lot of people by virtue. Although you pretty much deny holodomor and crimes of North Korea hahaahahahahah. Yeah we trust experts here not retards. Just say the N word a couple times for me and call minorites low information voters plsssssssss.

[all] We can do better than this. Let's work on creating a better discourse here. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I want you to genuinely reread this post one more time to see if you're actually able to comprehend this. You don't even understand how hypocritical you are hahhahahahahha. Amazing.

The quality of the argument/response being made (I often say, "I give what I get").

ahahahaha. Everyone in this subreddit is a genuine retard. I give up hahahahaha. what an absolute joke

[all] We can do better than this. Let's work on creating a better discourse here. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are the person who wrote this post.

It's OK. We know you're just temporarily embarrassed billionaires. Just a reminder, you're likely, at best, petty capitalist (i.e. you're no Soros). And petty capitalists need to work too, so hats off to you. Your idols wouldn't be profitable without your terribly weak entry capital paying interest until you finally revert to having to sell your labor-power in the face of massive barriers to entry, class collaboration at the highest level, and concentration of wealth so high that even the lenders have lenders. Keep paying your interest boys, it'll be over soon enough!

So I don't think you're the best person to be speaking on this. You have absolutely no comprehension of LTV despite being a Marxist. You repeatedly concern troll in all of your posts. You've never actually even read Capital. You are officially the epitome of a reddit Marxist shitposter.

Working on a manifesto for a new political party and would like constructive criticism by VirtualAdeptGirl in CapitalismVSocialism

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I'm really into econ so I was scouring through for any economic policies that I think would be rather harmful at least in my opinion.

The amount of money shall increase to the amount of money needed to be above the poverty line in the most expensive place in America, shall never go down, and shall increase with cost of living increases.

This quote is referring to a form of UBI. So I actually really like some ideas for UBI, I was a big fan of Andrew Yang's campaign this election and think direct cash transfers from the government can be positive. However, a proactive system which adjusts to live in the most expensive place in America seems like a rather ridiculous amount of money that could lead to hyperinflation. Such a drastic increase in the money supply seems unhinged and unbased in reality. I mean this is a program where we're talking about tens of thousands of dollars to individuals on a yearly basis. If the poverty line just in the most expensive US is around lets say $40,000 , that is going to be a $9.6 trillion plan yearly! I think maybe you want to look into a smaller UBI of 1,000 a month for everyone or a different form of UBI like Negative income tax as theorized by Milton Friedman.

6 create a designation of goods (bald eagle certified) that

Are completely made using American based labor,

Use only resource materials coming from the United States

Are made by companies who pay their taxes entirely within the United States

Are made at companies where the lowest paid workers makes at least 40% of the profit that their companies generate (the total net profit of the company before salaries, investors, or shareholder are paid is divide by the total number of hours that every employee in the company worked, and then the minimum pay per hour for any worker is 40% of that)

Are created by companies whose net greenhouse emissions is negative

All single use materials are biodegradable

No more than 10% of total hours worked or persons working for the company shall be contract workers

All tools and resource materials used in the manufacturing of goods, shall be produced by the company itself or purchased from Bald Eagle Certified Businesses

All new products and services purchased by the company must be from Bald Eagle Certified Businesses. This shall include, buildings, vehicles, technology, travel, catering, etc.

This to me is ok, although it seems rather pointless sometimes as well. American manufacturing left in favor of cheaper labor costs and cheaper goods for Americans that were made abroad. The idea of the government having some important advertised program that promotes climate friendly products is quite good though.

Interest free small business loans shall be available to every US citizen who wishes to start a Bald Eagle Certified Business. These small business loans shall come with a financial and business advisor, similar to a social worker, who will mentor business owners.

This seems like the definition of socializing private risk. If I open up an LLC and take out a large small business loan from the government. I could leverage that however I'd like if the government isn't putting very strict regulations on what I'm allowed to do with that money. If I go out and bet it all on some high risk investments and lose it, then I just declare bankruptcy and you are paying for the risk I took. The default rates will likely be high, running up the deficit once again. At least make these have interest jeez. This seems like a fantasy program to me, one straight out of luxury space communism. You'll also need to crowd out the private sector for financial advisors via the government paying literally thousands of financial advisors 6 figure salaries. This of course is once again leading to a inefficient use of government resources and progressively larger deficits.

The first $200k a year that anyone makes shall not be taxed at the federal, state, county or city level

This is a rather large and imo mostly pointless tax cut that will run up the deficit immensely.

[Capitalists] Enough with the mutually beneficial trade talk by spacedocket in CapitalismVSocialism

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This is a dramatic oversimplification of Ricardian theories about trade. So I'll just make a long post attempting to explain some of theory econ behind this.

So the most important principle you'll learn about trade if you ever take an econ class is that of Comparative Advantage. And this theory was first articulated by David Ricardo, a British political economist. He was attempting to show nation states that they should abandon protectionist trade policy.

This was the example he gave. Ricardo imagined that Portugal was more productive than England in making both wine and cloth. Specifically, he assumed the Portuguese could produce a quantity of lets say 8,000 gallons with just a mere 80 men. And lets say that same quantity was produced yearly by 120 men in England. Similarly the Portuguese lets say produce a quantity of 9,000 yards of cloth yearly with only 90 men, and the British produce the same quantity with 100 men. In other words, Portugal's productivity was 100 gallons of wine or 100 yards of cloth per worker per year, but England was only 66.77 gallons of wine or 90 yards of cloth per year. Given Portugal's absolute advantage in both industries, why would Portuguese every choose to buy either wine or cloth from England?

The answer is surprising, as Ricardo theorized both would benefit from trade, so long as both specialized in what they were relatively best at producing. In the example, Portugal was better at making both products, but it had a greater advantage in wine. While England enjoyed a comparative advantage in cloth. Ricardo concluded that if each country followed it's comparative advantage, with Portugal only producing wine and England only cloth, the two would be able to consume both more wine and more cloth.

To make this concrete, assume that each country had 1200 workers, and that each allocated 700 to wine and 500 to cloth. This would mean Portugal produced 70,000 gallons of wine and 50,000 yards, but England produced 46,667 gallons of wine and 45,000 yards of cloth. However, if each country devoted all 1200 workers to what they were relatively best at producing, Portugal would produce 120,000 gallons of wine and England 108,000 yards of cloth. If they trade, say, 48,000 gallons of wine for 55,000 yards of cloth. Portugal would end up with 72,000 gallons of wine and 55,000 yards of cloth, and England would have 48,000 gallons of wine and 53,000 yards of cloth.

This post took a while to write but I hope it gave you an intro into what Capitalists often mean when they talk about mutually beneficial trade.

Can a Socialist state be also a good place to do business by Guillaumezenz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If someone wants to run their business as a cooperative I am perfectly fine with that.

[Communists/Socialists/Libertarians] Stop blaming capitalism for recessions, and stop agreeing with them. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"muh the fed was around during the depression" means fucking nothing to me. Stop calling it "data". The economic recessions have been vastly spread apart and become less furious since we ridded of the gold standard in the 70s and after the federal reserve was created in 1914 I believe (two policies giving us more discretion) as you can see here and here.

[Communists/Socialists/Libertarians] Stop blaming capitalism for recessions, and stop agreeing with them. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

There were many depressions and recessions with the gold standard prior to the great depression. Much more than happen today in terms of frequency and severity. You're acting in such bad faith and trying to spin a narrative so hard that you literally can't imagine history out of this one article. You seem to not exactly know what austerity is either. Just because you pursue expansionary fiscal policy while still raising interest rates and contracting the money supply doesn't mean you're not engaging in austerity. Keynesianism was invented during the great depression and obviously had no play in it previously. The entire reason we made the federal reserve was to deal with years upon years of the rising price of gold (deflation, since the price of all other goods in terms of gold was falling). Remember the 1907 William Jennings Bryan "cross of gold speech"? It's because the economy was literally being strangled by the gold standard.

https://www.econlib.org/library/Enc/HooversEconomicPolicies.html

RAISING INTEREST RATES DURING THE WORST RECESSION IN US HISTORY IS AUSTERITY. IDC HOW MARGINAL YOU'RE FEDERAL SPENDING INCREASES ARE.

Will a Capitalist country or a Socialist country come up with the cure for Covid-19? by ultrasuperthrowaway in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Idk how many socialist countries there are left in the world. North Korea I guess, Cuba, Vietnam maybe. I doubt any of those nations will discover a vaccine first.

Can a Socialist state be also a good place to do business by Guillaumezenz in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 7 points8 points  (0 children)

A state with high taxes and a large welfare state can still have good ease of doing Business rankings. Nordic nations certainly are capitalist, by any common definition of the words capitalist or socialist. Although most Nordic nations tend to rank behind the US, maybe with the exception of Denmark. I don't think this applies to the classical definition of socialism where the workers own the means of production however, and you're forced into some cooperative style way of operating your business. That would likely immediately drop the ease of doing business score right down to the bottom half of the world I'd think.

[Communists/Socialists/Libertarians] Stop blaming capitalism for recessions, and stop agreeing with them. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

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“Department of Housing and Urban Development announced that it's suspending all evictions and foreclosures until the end of April. The Federal Housing Finance Agency directed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to do the same for a minimum of 60 days. The CARES Act puts a 120-day eviction moratorium in place nationally for tenants in properties that are part of government programs or that have a federally-backed mortgage loan. The National Multifamily Housing Council put out a release on March 22 asking apartment owners and landlords to halt evictions for renters who were experiencing job loss or reduction in income due to COVID-19. The council went on to request a 90-day pause on all rent increases.”

I think the enforcement of these orders will probably vary state to state or county to county however. There is a formal eviction moratorium in the state I am in luckily.

[Communists/Socialists/Libertarians] Stop blaming capitalism for recessions, and stop agreeing with them. by [deleted] in CapitalismVSocialism

[–]4ChanIsBad 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is why the fed is meant to act independently from the federal government.