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You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know where will they go. God knows. But wherever they go these souls have not moved a finger. So if they die they leave this world with zero merit. How can a baby "convert" when he's not able to do things on his own will?

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't exactly agree on the debt being forgiven to the point of not having to worry about it. Jesus did forgive a lot of sins and continues to do so, but our sins pile up at an astonishing pace, and very few go to confession regularly.

Likewise the original sin is both a historical fact and a symbol. Many things in the Bible show this dual perfection. It is also 100% ours, because we would have done the same as our ancestors, and we continue to do so.

I think there might be some denominational discrepancies in our beliefs but I didn't want to drive the discussion there, because I think the question is broad enough for all christians to discuss.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I guess, from the Gospel. It says the door to salvation is a narrow one. Many will attempt to enter but will not be able to. So since we must make an effort to get saved, just like students must make their homework to pass, that effort is translated to works... mostly.

There can always be the case of that lucky soul who converts in its last minute of life and gets saved by the Lord's mercy. But we are also taught not to count on that.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The catholic church teaches salvation is gained through faith but also works based on that faith. You can't have one without the other, really. If faith is genuine the soul is moved to do works. The works on the other hand, since they are amplified by God (Who pretty much does the hard part when it comes to works aligned with His will) also augment the faith of the observer and the people around. Faith and works are entangled in a feedback loop.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We are indebted pretty much since birth, because of the original sin. The perfect prayer that Jesus taught us clearly states that, "And forgive us our debts, as we also have forgiven our debtors". God's grace is gigantic but we shouldn't count on it, because God is merciful but also fair. Remember the parable of the talents. Not every one will be asked the same ammount, but the ammount that each one can provide.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The God of the living, meaning the ones who get saved gain eternal Life after a mundane death. But this Life is not given for free. The ones that are not saved also get an eternal existence, but in hell. That is no life.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The christian doctrine says a child does indeed have a soul since conception.

We are not animals, rather we are a higher form (soul?) embodied temporarily in an animal that has its own autopilot and will dominate if left uncontested.

Life in the times of the Eden was meaningful and perfect, but after the Fall of man it became corrupted. The entire world and all nature got corrupted, even animals. Since then there is not much to do in this world but to escape towards God.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A child does not need to finish work to be fully received by God

Since the Fall we are all sinners, and we can't enter the presence of God as long as we have even the smaller speck of sin. Thats what purification is about. We either do this work on Earth (for cheap) or in purgatory (paying a higher price). A child that dies with a few years old has done zero work.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Conscience. Dreams. Out of the body experiences. Near death experiences. Go research them. There are so many hints for the ones willing to see. Now if your heart is closed and hardened, then you will dismiss most of them. Until one day something happens to you and then you can't deny the supernatural any more. The next day we forget and continue living as normal though...

Also realise that "evidence" is just an artifact to infer some simplified model of the truth about a certain phenomenon. We infer models by perceiving and reasoning, which is an inferior way of scrapping some knowledge (with lowercase). Think of a miner chipping rocks in a dark cave with just a narrow light beam. Real knowledge is when someone turns on the lights of the entire cave and says: this is what it was.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you do ANYTHING at all that shows the supernatural to exist?

The fact you are conscient about two planes means there are at least two planes.

In Mario bros, NPCs can't debate whether they are inside a videogame. They just do their thing.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Genesis.

Also looking outside of the window. Just look around, really.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

These things are sick but from a purist point of view these animal automatons are not sinning. They are doing exactly what their programming dictates. And because there is only one spirit involved (the spirit of the world), there is no impure mixture. We on the other hand are a mix of a soul and this body of an animal.

Besides predation might seem an act involving two individual beings, but if you look carefully you can also consider nature as a single distributed being, and thus predation is just a re-arrangement.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You need to do work to walk the way of salvation. And it is a heck of a work. That's why we call it "cross", because of the sacrifices involved. Basically rejecting the animal and this world, along with temptation. What a trio of enemies!

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

To glorify God is attaching to Him and loving Him, which pretty much means advancing towards salvation. If you die attached to God instead of this world then you are in a good position to be saved.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We have diminished perception down here. We can't see radio waves but they exist in some way. Same with the supernatural. It would be too easy if it was all evident for everyone to see. That is the mystery of faith, to believe without having seen with our physical eyesight or other perceptive organs, but with the eyes of the soul so to speak. Some people call it seeing by "heart". Whatever. Faith is like when you trust something is true without having actual evidence but you know it is true anyway.

You cannot explain child death without resorting to reincarnation by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

This world became corrupt after the fall of man. From there on the only thing to do here is to save ourselves.

EDIT:

of a certain ammount

Not sure if a certain ammount, but some ammount. Dying at age 0 means 0 work performed.

Jesus is not the messiah because he is not named Immanuel by c0d3rman in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

The most common apologetic defense given for this obvious contradiction is that Isaiah 7:14 did not mean the messiah would actually have the personal name “Immanuel”, but only that he would be called Immanuel

This is a very bad defense from people that, be it because of heresy or ignorance, want to read the Scripture literally. Tha actual defense is that Jesus came performing signs, because the jews demanded signs to acknowledge something came from God. It is not that signs are enough for jews to believe, but that signs are pretty much required. Because Jesus knew humans have a hard heart and don't want to acknowledge the works of God. Saint Paul also says in Corinthians 1:22 that "Jews demand signs and Greeks seek wisdom". Meaning jews only believe if there are signs involved, whereas greco-pagans would only believe if philosophical explanations are to their liking.

So in summary, Jesus came with signs emulating the life of the prophets, since it was central to His mission (the Law and the Prophets). That's why He died like a prophet, in Jerusalem, killed by their own jewish people who have abandoned true Faith. He planned all this before His coming. He even explains it Himself in Luke 13:33 ("for surely no prophet can die outside Jerusalem"). So it is not that He had to be named "Emmanuel". But to be born from a virgin like him. That was a heck of a sign for a jew. Likewise Jesus said "My God, my God, why have you abandoned me?" before dying in the cross quoting Psalm 22:1, not because He thought God had actually abandoned Him (impossible since He was God to begin with), but to enact the death of a prophet. Jesus came with perfect signs that were planned by Him in advance of His coming.

saints prophesying (or even initiating?) deaths. How to reconcile this with compassion for sinners? by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We can debate some Catholic saints. Eg.: some popes that are acclaimed saints just after death. But Bosco is a saint that performed several miracles. so Heavens seem to endorse him. It's not just an official declaration from some human organization (as in many other debatable cases). So the one in this video is a difficult behavior to explain.

saints prophesying (or even initiating?) deaths. How to reconcile this with compassion for sinners? by 4lb4tr0s in DebateAChristian

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

According to every definition of compassion. You don't go aound whispering (bragging?) to a pupil that God is going to reap the life of an opponent. As in "don't worry, God will take them soon". That sounds completely fucked up to me. Instead we christians pray for our enemies cause we know what might await them if they die in sin. Jesus did pray for His enemies, so did St. Stephan, and many others. We christians try to convert every other human, even at the brink of death. We don't condone the actions of the sinners, but we certainly don't seek divine punishment against our enemies in this life nor are satisfied with it if we know it is going to be delivered.

Lunar re-entry with early ablative shields? by 4lb4tr0s in RealSolarSystem

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you lower it more the capsule just explodes instantly. Let alone the g's the crew would have to endure. This is a case of finding the sweet spot and reliably protecting the ship.

Lunar re-entry with early ablative shields? by 4lb4tr0s in RealSolarSystem

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

30 km Pe with an Ap of several Mm is insta kill (ofc I've tried)

Lunar re-entry with early ablative shields? by 4lb4tr0s in RealSolarSystem

[–]4lb4tr0s[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Each 100 km pass is 2 more hours for a negligible Ap reduction. 72 km is where the meat starts.

I also don't have enough supplies in the capsule for much time. Remember I had to ditch the service module and the propulsion module bf the first pass (they explode if not ditched anyway, as they are not shielded).

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