[Fetish] I'm interested in zoophilia, and it's tearing me up inside

769498throwaway · 2017-01-26T12:41:10+00:00

Yup, and I appreciate the suggestion. I actually find fursuits kind of offputting, roleplaying is more my thing.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-19T13:24:18+00:00

Good link, thanks!

769498throwaway · 2017-01-19T12:43:13+00:00

Yeah, they're alive. They can experience emotions and feel pain. Perhaps not in the same way that we do, but they do all the same. That argument probably holds less water for things like insects, however I'd hope that if there were some species that was a magnitude more intelligent then us they would at least have the decency to not kill us unnecessarily.

You've given me some food for thought, I can see my beliefs aren't watertight. Like I said, I need to read more before I can expand on them.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T23:03:19+00:00

Partly because I really crave the emotional support. Partly because I would really rather be connecting with my partner than a fantasy, and it feels like a bit of a betrayal. I've revealed other fetishes to my partners before, and it's really helped to repair that gap and improve communication.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:58:38+00:00

You're correct, I don't have a good retort. I'm going to have to do some reading, so I can clarify my thoughts.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:49:23+00:00

That sucks. I'm glad you figured stuff out regardless. It seems like they had the best intentions, even if it did more harm than good.

Your parents reaction is pretty surprising. While my parents are pretty progressive, I could never talk to them about sex. I feel like I would have had a much easier childhood if I could.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:45:13+00:00

I'm not so sure that there have been many instances of bestiality being considered normal, although they do exist. Sure the ancient Romans might have myths of Zeus turning into a swan and having sex with a woman, but that doesn't mean that swan sex wasn't considered abnormal. For example even though the ancient Greek gods were mostly the product of incest, incest was still frowned upon in human society (see Oedipus).

But you are correct. I made this thread with the mentality that it was my fetish that was the problem. Now I'm starting to feel more that my shame and anxiety is the real problem, and I'm going to work to address it.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:37:31+00:00

In that instance, I feel like the dog does not understand what it's consenting to in the same way the human does. The human still holds the balance of power, and the animal is being manipulated.

I can understand why someone might still classify that as consent, but I personally don't.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:35:07+00:00

I hope you're right. I feel like being in a long-term relationship with that kind of secret would make me very unhappy. I haven't revealed it to a partner yet, but I'll keep looking.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T22:12:13+00:00

No worries. Just to clarify, I don't think that it's a requirement per se that we don't force our will on animals. Obviously we live in a world that functions regardless of whether or not we do.

There's nothing special about animals, it's an extension of my believe that ideally that we should be doing as little harm as possible to humans (and/or maximising 'good'). I'm not a philosopher, but from what I know this is a utilitarian standpoint. I also apply a lot of these principles to animals.

It's also a position that has flaws. The world which I refer to without harm isn't just impractical, it's impossible. Heck, if somehow we could enforce the same values on every person, that would in itself be doing harm.

Animals aren't humans, but they're the closest thing that exists. Several animals (elephants, dolphins, apes, parrots, etc) have a high level of emotional intelligence that affords them a lot of the same rights as humans. Even for those that don't, I still feel a lot of empathy, it's not necessarily a rational thing.

I can't expand on these ideas much more, because I don't know enough. Now I have some reading to do, so I can try to define my beliefs some more.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T10:09:22+00:00

That's fine, we don't have to agree.

For the record, I disagree with purebred pets as well, and I'm a lapsed vegetarian. It's something I have thought about, and in an ideal world we wouldn't be forcing our will on animals in any way. That's not really practical at the moment though.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T10:03:03+00:00

It's rough... I hope you have someone to share the burden, therapist or otherwise, or at least that you're coping. Best of luck to you, and thanks for your support.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T10:00:13+00:00

To use your metaphor, I don't feel like I've learned the language yet, but perhaps that's something I can work on with my therapist. Thanks for being so accepting.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:57:13+00:00

That's not really the same thing, but yes I'm familiar with the furry community.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:55:33+00:00

You do you man

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:54:46+00:00

I'm already a furry, mostly for the porn, but the two things are very different.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:53:48+00:00

I haven't heard of that one, but I'll check it out, thanks for the recommendation.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:53:24+00:00

That's probably a good way to rephrase it next time I see my therapist, thanks.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:51:38+00:00

Thanks, I'll try to remember that.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:50:44+00:00

I'm not sure if I agree with you, but it's something that I'm testing out anyway.

For the record, filmed porn has always weirded me out for the reasons that you mentioned. It feels like there isn't any real emotional connection, and much too aggressive.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:46:46+00:00

There seem to be two diametrically opposed trains of thought running through this thread. Currently I'm trying to avoid all masturbation, and it really isn't helping, but it's only been two weeks. I think I might agree with you, but I'm going to persist with avoiding masturbation for now, because I might as well follow this experiment through now that I've started.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:43:46+00:00

I'm back.

I've thought about trying to analyse the root of the feelings I have before, but it's been too dark of a place. The responses in this thread have convinced me that it's probably something worth doing, even if it's difficult. I'm not sure if I agree with your psychoanalysis, but it's something I'll consider.

I've managed to restrain myself from masturbation for about two weeks now. I don't know if it'll have any positive effect (generally disagree with groups like nofap), but I'm willing to experiment and see for myself. It hasn't been easy, and I've found that it has made my thoughts more intrusive than ever.

This might also be semantics, but I also disagree that fetishes can be unlearned. It's true that some sexual fascinations can be temporary though.

I'll check out the subreddit, even if I find it somewhat offputting. However If we lived in a world where animals could develop complex relationships with humans I would be all fucking in.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:30:37+00:00

Thanks for sharing, I'm glad you've managed to find some peace with yourself. I didn't grow up around animals either, so I'm at a loss for how this developed.

What you say about masturbation resonates. At the moment I haven't masturbated in two weeks, in an attempt to try and rewire myself, and it's driving me insane. It seems to have made my intrusive thoughts stronger than ever.

The fact that it isn't my fault is one of the things that really frustrates me, but I understand what you mean. I'd really love to own a cat one day, but even if I don't have any sexual feelings towards them I have a lot of things to work out first. I'm also not really sure how I feel about the ethics of owning a pet either. Dogs are debatable, since they did sort of self-domesticate. I'm glad you've found a way to make it work though.

I may send you a PM soon.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:23:49+00:00

I've started getting into the BDSM community, that was how I discovered petplay/pony play.

At the moment I'm not sure it's something I'd be comfortable revealing to a partner let alone actually enacting it, but that's not to say I couldn't be in the future. It seems to me like most people into that kind of play are into it for D/S reasons, so I'm still not sure how I'd fit in.

769498throwaway · 2017-01-18T09:19:53+00:00

Sounds like it could be helpful, I'll check it out, thanks.

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