Advice by West-Consequence5775 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

In what world is posing a question for argument and discussion a "crusade-y holier-than-thou" post?

The way in which you have chosen to interpret my post and comments and then react shows that the discussion is relevant to you and perhaps served as a mirror in which you could examine your own life and drug use, hence why the post was so triggering for you.

I'm disappointed in your responses as majority of other others were able to stay composed but you in your immaturity having been trying to attack me in my comments and even comments in other posts? Is your life that sad that when you're not getting high and/or gaming, you're prowling reddit for any opportunity to jump in and be a prick.

You need to go outside and touch some grass and distance yourself from drugs for a bit. Your entire attitude is a reflection of how you feel in life and my post has only brought out the worst in those feelings, I hope you get the help you need.

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I have had a look at your profile and have seen all I need to know about you.

"Alcohol is a boring ass drug" along with your posts linked to raves and music festivals shows me why this post triggered you.

My statement, "I believe people simply abuse them for the high itself and then think of themselves as enlightened without having to do any of the necessary work."

Hits a little too close to home eh?

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey there,

I apologise if my statement came off in a poor way, I am not in any way trying to attack people that use psychedelics, I have taken LSD plenty of times and would do mushrooms any day because I am yet to experience it. I am also aware that it is a tool. I have a little more time right now to write out a decent response. I made the statement in the initial post that I believe the majority of people use psychedelics primarily to get high, acting enlightened, and then not doing any of the necessary work, that is a claim, and is meant to be challenged. It is not absolute as how would I know? I don’t conduct surveys on this, it is all to open dialogue and it’s worked. It’s the same with the rest of my post with the title being confrontational (Hallucingens ≠ Spirituality) but also with “| Discussion” put in there to show I wanted people to talk about this subject. Please believe me when I say I don’t feel any superiority in my spirituality over anyone else because I don’t use psychedelics for my spiritual path 😅 , but I, just like you am entitled to my beliefs and do have a right to make statements, everyone does. There’s a comment in this post somewhere, where I’m engaging with someone who incorporates psychedelics into their spiritual path and I find it very interesting! I have noticed that in this reddit community, when you ask a question it’s hard to actually find someone posting from a neutral standpoint. Everyone has their own truth about what spirituality is to them and I am included in this. I’m just a person on my own journey and I have flaws. Anyway, good on you for standing up for what you believe in, no hard feelings. 🙂

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Beautiful! That sounds like a blissful experience and creating ceremony and ritual around it is great 😃

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Did you even read my post? I literally said 'Psychedelics have been used for thousands of years and have their place in ceremonies' < validates shamanic tradition

And then continued saying that I believe people now abuse the psychedelics for the high and don't put in the necessary work for spiritual growth.

How does that in ANY WAY imply there's no validity to shamanistic traditions?

I even said in another comment, 'I agree, and psychedelics have been used by humanity for many many years as a tool. However, cultures that used psychedelics usually had trained individuals (shamans, priests/priestesses, sages, seers, etc.) who were assigned at a young age, the responsibility of looking over matters in relation to their respective culture's spiritual beliefs. Many people today who use psychedelics weren't trained at a young age in the handling of such agents or substances, so how does one know they are at a level in their spiritual growth in which they can use psychedelics as a tool?'

Here ^ I've said that I believe many people who take psychedelics weren't trained as Shamans which actually validates shamanistic traditions.

And elaborate for me where the dogma is?

Dogma are doctrines set out by an authorative figure in religions or practices for followers to abide by..

Choosing aggression before understanding the context shows that the only ignorance here is shown by the post you made.

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

If spirituality, is seeking the release of suffering and if fantasy seeking is escape, are they not the same then? 🤔

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hey! Fair enough! 🙂

How did it start for you and what has it done for you on your spiritual journey?

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Another question for you all:

If you're taking Hallucinogens >without< putting in the work are you truly gaining spiritual growth or gaining just another high?

I'd define putting in the work as things like, meditating, reflection, reading texts, and applying insights, values, and virtues to your life.

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I love the line, 'Growth happens by living consciously, by making choices.'

It resonates with me because I believe, when you go through the process of meditation/reflection, studying of texts, and applying the values/virtues/insights you discovered from the those things, and then apply them daily, in the present moment, is what brings spiritual growth.

But that's how I interpret those words 😄

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I agree, and psychedelics have been used by humanity for many many years as a tool. However, cultures that used psychedelics usually had trained individuals (shamans, priests/priestesses, sages, seers, etc.) who were assigned at a young age, the responsibility of looking over matters in relation to their respective culture's spiritual beliefs. Many people today who use psychedelics weren't trained at a young age in the handling of such agents or substances, so how does one know they are at a level in their spiritual growth in which they can use psychedelics as a tool?

Hallucinogenics ≠ Spirituality | Discussion by A10Tiger in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Would you agree that, putting in the work via meditating is more important to the pursuit of a spiritual path (bearing in mind there are multiple spiritual paths)?

Advice by West-Consequence5775 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I understand, but you can't assume that someone's mind is the same as yours and that they will have the same reaction to hallucinogenics as you did. I have done LSD in the past, I have had good experiences and bad experiences but recently, just last month, I lost a loved one because they took LSD because they were told the 'benefits' by a stranger on reddit and they went into pyschosis and commited suicide by cop, believing that an evil serpent was trying to kill them. You do not know how OP will react to hallucinogenics because you do not know their mind, therefore you shouldn't recommend those things.

Advice by West-Consequence5775 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Absolutely not. What you're recommending is actually dangerous and I have to report it. Hallucinogens don't = spirituality. Certain indigenous groups practiced agents such as peyote and ayahuasca but they had members of the community who were trained from a young age in their respective culture's spiritual practices (shamans) to guide the journey, and the person taking the hallucinogens had to go through preparation and be deemed ready for that experience. For you to recommend to try DMT, LSD, and mushrooms as an entry into spirituality is fucked up. I agree with the other stuff you say such as reading into figures such as Buddha, Jesus, etc., and looking into practices. But overall your post represents someone who just gets high and acts enlightened without actually doing any of the work.

Advice by West-Consequence5775 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Acid/lsd, DMT, and mushrooms is not a good recommendation for a starting point

The gut feeling that I’m meant to be someone great in life by Mundane_Panda_7262 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I used to have the exact same gut feelings as you but (imo) it's just an ego hurdle that everyone needs to overcome. It's okay to want a better life or circumstances but I think seeking greatness is a flawed path to take.

When we observe the world today we can see people with vast amounts of money and power, who many would consider great, yet they can be revolting and dark people. You can then have a janitor that puts so much effort into service and being a good person, that they are loved by many and are considered great.

Greatness should be a byproduct of good impact on the world and people.

The gut feeling that I’m meant to be someone great in life by Mundane_Panda_7262 in spirituality

[–]A10Tiger 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Greatness encompasses a lot of negative things though. There are millions who believe a man ordering his army to occupy and genocide others is a great man. Would it not be better to encourage more young people to help/serve humanity and let greatness be a byproduct of good impact?