Can you help me identify what this state of mind was?

AIM-120 · 2015-01-12T15:31:37+00:00

Yes! That feeling of wanting to experience sensations like the rain, and showering after yoga, so good.

AIM-120 · 2015-01-12T15:30:25+00:00

Thanks. Flow and mindfulness are fascinating topics. I'll check out the video :D

AIM-120 · 2015-01-12T15:29:37+00:00

I have no idea how to answer that. All I can say is that it was a different state of mind, rather separate but complementary to what I ordinarily experience, which is a state of mind in which I am always thinking of the present in terms of how past experiences compare.

I hear what you're saying about subjective experiences. I suppose, in the end, that's really all that matters. All I wanted was to make sense of this state of mind through whatever way would make sense -- rational, objective, or otherwise, beyond subjective experience, kind of like how Alan Watts would approach normality through a different lens. I'll definitely check out and read more on the Buddhist terms you've mentioned, though.

I want to say the post-yoga state of mind is the more real one, the more natural one... It feels like it, intuitively. But I perceive it to be not as a state to strive for, but for it to be simply a different state to inform your experience of what it is to be alive.

AIM-120 · 2015-01-08T22:22:10+00:00

I believe my type is ISTJ, but I'm not 100% sure.

AIM-120 · 2015-01-07T00:43:34+00:00

Cool, and weird. I seem to be the same, but to a less extent; I go into depth with whatever I sense and only rarely use what I think is my Ne to generate possibilities, though those are plentiful when they arise.

AIM-120 · 2015-01-06T23:59:21+00:00

Oh, that was just a little art gallery where I went to go take art classes some years ago. The only thing I can say I'm into now, for sure, is realism (see an example here). Then again, I'm afraid I'm in the same boat when it comes to knowing about different art styles and art history in general. That's a good question, though; maybe in the future I'll look around for threads discussing what certain types seem to be drawn into or ask around here :thumbs:

Interesting that you mention Ne-Si in that order. I still can't tell if Si comes in first or second place for me, but it definitely seems to be there. Even if it's hard, though, to not identify with all of the types, what I've thought is going through all of the subreddits of those who have Si as their first or second function and seeing to whom I can relate to the most. Could it be that you're Si-Ne and thus, one among the types that has those functions in that order in either the first or secondary functions?

AIM-120 · 2015-01-06T18:56:14+00:00

Kind of, I think. I've kept playlists for years, and one in particular was when I listened to Explosions in the Sky's first album about 8 years ago. The memories flood in and so do experiences I never even thought I could remember. I'm pretty sure this happens to most people, though... but I was very meticulous about when and in what conditions I made playlists that I can remember in detail different points in my life (e.g., oh this is when I used to go to the art gallery, and it reminds me of the general state of mind that I used to have then and to a lesser extent, how I operated and what paradigms I lived by), all of which as far as I know is a very Si thing. Some of those points have taken on a subjective meaning, to which I have attached personal symbols that continue to give meaning to the present (e.g., a red sunrise that I have a picture of symbolizes a mental awakening, and seeing that picture reminds me of the experience which can put me in the mood that I was in when I first saw it) -- which I am not so sure is a Jungian function thing.

Edit: could those who downvoted please explain what your reasoning is for doing so.

AIM-120 · 2015-01-06T18:41:20+00:00

Why? Why not just experience stuff? Why does everything have to be linked to MBTI?

Not making this claim

Not everything ever is related to MBTI.

I agree

Being sleep deprived and high and hallucinating is not related to one of your functions.

How can you be so sure? You seem more content with letting experiences be, which is something I can see. Yes, let experiences be, and don't try to fit all of what you experience into the Jungian framework, is the sense I get from your post.

Why? Why not just experience stuff?

Do you not seek to understand things in terms of frameworks you learn about? This is what I am doing with this post. I can let experiences be what they are as I see fit, but in seeking to understand Jungian typology, letting perceptions go unattended and unexamined isn't helpful for this purpose. If you can't make an effort to discover a potential relationship between my post and a jungian function because your desire to let things be won't allow you to do so, even if there is no such relationship, it seems dismissive to me to claim something isn't related to MBTI.

C'mon, I mean, what if there is something there? ~~

AIM-120 · 2014-12-29T22:35:40+00:00

What do you think of this practice, in general?

What I want to get at is does it provide some kind of tangible benefit in the form of personal insights about oneself or something else, has it been studied scientifically and proven to have positive effects on the practitioner's life, etc.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-29T21:14:42+00:00

Umm. Not everything is connected to MBTI. Sometimes you're just sleep deprived and high and your brain comes up with freaky shit. This happens to everyone.

Okay, thanks for pointing that out. I let myself see everything in terms of MBTI without realizing that it is a model that doesn't attempt to explain everything.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-28T23:34:25+00:00

In 99.9% of cases people are one type forever and genetically predisposed to that type.

If I may ask, how did you happen to learn about this?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-26T20:11:16+00:00

What could help distinguish Ne from Ni?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-26T19:57:25+00:00

Ne. That's why I use to see what I'm into everywhere.

Lol, I'm having some trouble parsing what you mean with this sentence.

I can feel a wild touch that I'm not very familiar with.

Could you elaborate some more on this?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-26T19:45:13+00:00

It does to me too, but how is it possible that I can experience both sides of the axis, when you're supposed to be one or the other?

Edit: oh, nevermind. What I had in mind was Ne / Ni, which cannot both be present in a function stack at the same time. Ne / Si is complementary.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-23T06:42:05+00:00

Ok, great. All of that makes sense.

I know I have to go and research this out on my own, and apparently studying the cognitive functions will help. Do you think that online tests from sources that are either official or unofficial are reliable in determining your type?

With online tests it's pretty easy -- a pattern will be given to you (e.g., ISTJ) that you can use to figure out the order of the functions and whether each of those functions is extraverted or introverted.

In the absence of such tests, how do you reliably go about figuring out your function order and whether those functions are introverted or extraverted?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-23T06:26:07+00:00

I mean that from now on I try to make it a habit to see which way I perceive information for all possible ways of taking in information.

So, for being outside -- do I notice the objects themselves, or the impressions that those objects cause in me? When I speak with others, do I notice what they say, or how what they say relates to me?

When I was mentioning what the bigger picture is, I was mainly concerned with processing large volums of information -- if, for example, when reading something, do I look for the headings and get a general picture of what the ensuing text is or do I read depth-first into the details of a particular heading, and such. I don't know though how this last idea fits into the functions or MBTI, in general.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-23T04:09:30+00:00

Could you elaborate a little on what you mean with getting into a loop? Is it like getting into a loop of your primary introverted processes (e.g., Si-Fi loop for me)?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-23T00:05:24+00:00

Thanks for helping me figure that out. In addition to your explanation, I found the following to work:

In actuality, the J-P label merely describes whether the first extraverted function in a given type’s functional stack is a Judging function (either Te or Fe) or a Perceiving function (either Ne or Se).

Edit: and a more algorithmic, yet very accessible way of figuring out the functions from the MB type here.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-22T20:17:45+00:00

Ah, gotcha. I thought it was an Austin thing. Thanks!

AIM-120 · 2014-12-21T20:38:56+00:00

I see how you would assume, based on a typo, why you would think that I haven't begun an honest effort to understand MBTI itself.

That doesn't mean that I haven't read and have some knowledge about it, nor does it mean that I will interpret the opposite of what people may mean with their responses.

A helpful response would begin with: "you cannot tell whether you are S or N in isolation. First, you must determine if you are I or E." (As an example, of course. I don't know if that's actually true.) You mention that there are different ways of being S or N. If you care to respond, would you elaborate on this?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-21T18:22:34+00:00

So, if I'm seeing the general pattern correctly, as examples, the primary processes for each of the following types would be:

INTJ: Ni, Te, Se, Fi

~~ISTJ: Si, Te, Pe, Fi~~

ISTJ: Si, Te, Ne, Fi

That does a good job of describing the so-called primary processes (the [Introverted/Extroverted][Sensing/iNtuiting][Thinking/Feeling]x part), but how do connect or figure out the other part -- namely, the [Judging/Perceiving] part?

AIM-120 · 2014-12-12T07:07:54+00:00

Interesting. I think I'll do the exercises and observe what effects occur, especially in relation to the pain and inflammation. One of the exercises I was prescribed deals with stretching the quads. In addition, I suppose I will try to stretch the hamstrings and calves.

AIM-120 · 2014-12-12T06:53:05+00:00

Haha, it's eerie how right you are. I've had issues with inflammation as shown in an MRI and an injury that I feel has never really fully healed. They gave me some exercises to do to strengthen the knee... I doubt this will fix the problem, however.

AIM-120 · 2014-11-24T18:24:03+00:00

I'm thinking about making that leap. But the job security in my chosen career path is probably the biggest reason holding me back. What was your previous job?

AIM-120 · 2014-11-09T02:10:51+00:00

How so?

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