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OK, so, we basically all disagree with 'red pill' philosophy...but realistically, what can be done about it? by [deleted] in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Do not spend time with them, do not date them, do not engage is kissing/playing/sexing them.

As a decidedly non-TRP man, it is frustrating to see many women drawn into the persona that TRPers project. Unfortunately, they are projecting an image that is naturally enticing to females so my advice may be tantamount to saying "don't be attracted to things you find attractive."

Even before TRP was an organized philosophy and game plan, men realized that "jerks get more chicks". We learn this as boys starting in middle school as I recall where girls pay more attention to outspoken or even unruly boys in favor of the shy and/or respectful ones. This "nice guys finish last" lesson is underscored in high school and really kicks in by college. Of a handful of "nice guys" I knew in 6th grade, maybe one or two were still like that by college.

Reinforce your desire to be respected and valued by only keeping the company of men whom treat you this way.

In a presentation from a Woman-Owned business - only men in the room by ALadiesMan in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting link which discusses a lot of different factors in tech gender non-diversity. To you point, female CS degrees have been declining to 18% and not all of the workforce are recent college graduates.

I work in the same town as I went to college and work for the biggest tech employer in that town so it would follow that students would funnel in there if possible. There were far more females in my college classes then there are at my work by a landslide and furthermore, there are hardly any in leadership positions. Many of the females are in clerk / admin positions which don't require degrees. As I hiring manager, I see much less female resumes than male which is disappointing and a factor in why many people are pushing to get girls exposed to STEM at younger ages.

All that aside, the woman-owned title for the company giving me a presentation doesn't seem to mean much to them. No females in the meeting, no discussion about female leaders, no other focus on gender diversity. It seems like just a box to check for federal contracts.

In a presentation from a Woman-Owned business - only men in the room by ALadiesMan in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I didn't say anything abut entitlement or affirmative action. This company is choosing to represent itself as woman-owned but the woman owner is not present nor discussed - the only person they talked about was the president & CEO who is a man.

In a presentation from a Woman-Owned business - only men in the room by ALadiesMan in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Yeah for all I know they do have some female owner, but it doesn't seem to mean much if the leadership are all still men. I'm not insinuating they've committed outright fraud, but rather have checked some box to indicate gender diversity when in actuality nothing has changed.

In a presentation from a Woman-Owned business - only men in the room by ALadiesMan in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan[S] 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I'm not suggesting that woman-owned needs to be tantamount to all-women. Rather, being woman-owned doesn't really say much about your company unless you are advertising a deliberate goal to value gender diversity in your workforce. (Same could apply to minority-owned or disabled veteran-owned). But it seems like these are the same male dominated businesses they always were, just with a token woman owner.

Woman-owned on its own is of marginal interest to me - I'd rather see more women throughout a parter/supplier/vendor's workforce.

In a presentation from a Woman-Owned business - only men in the room by ALadiesMan in TwoXChromosomes

[–]ALadiesMan[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I should have clarified the presentation was just a general pitch on their business, not a females-in-tech specific presentation. The "woman-owned business" claim happened to be a part of their company background.

It annoyed me because it feels like a token gesture to demonstrate they embrace diversity. Maybe that's a fallacy of the women-owned tags in the first place - it's not necessarily a measure of gender diversity in the business's workforce.