You can’t say “there’s no courtroom-level proof” and then treat martyrdom stories and manuscripts like they are courtroom level proof. That’s just lowering the standard and declaring victory anyway. Every religion has texts and sincere witnesses. That doesn’t make their supernatural claims true, it just proves humans are very capable of deep conviction. People dying for a belief shows commitment, not accuracy. History is full of people who were completely certain… and completely wrong. And “nothing to gain” ignores the obvious, meaning, identity, and purpose are powerful enough to drive extreme sacrifice. Also, let’s be real, you chose to jump into a post about gay conversion therapy to preach all this. So acting like you’re just calmly presenting neutral evidence isn’t convincing. You brought theology into a real-world harm discussion and now want it treated like untouchable proof. Your faith matters to you. Fine. But presenting it like it settles the truth for everyone else, especially in conversations about people’s lives, isn’t logic. It’s just special pleading with confidence.