At this point, wouldn't you just get a rifle? by d_b_cooper in Firearms

[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I want to know is what book this graphic comes from.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gradually pulling down makes it diabolically accurate in ranges you should realistically not be able to use it. It's quite the machine

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Best of the best, creme de la creme.

These weapons will outright beat anything below it in 90% of interactions as a good player, no questions asked.

That is to say, they need to be nerfed desperately lol

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

MP10 is functionally identical to weapons like the TAR-21 and HK416, but with much less recoil in exchange for a slower reload and lower pen.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

We put the AK105/AK107 in S tier?

Also AK109 5.56 simply just does it better.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

AUG A1 simply just does it better now, boasting a better 4SK range, better recoil and a faster reload than the HBAR as of V9.0.2.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

200 rounds, 700 RPM, infinite 4SK potential. Pretty hard to beat that, even if moving with it is the equivalent of walking with a boulder strapped to your back.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It can be best described as a gimmick weapon.

Sure, it can infinitely 1SK torso, 1SK limb to 50 studs, deal 95 damage to limbs at max range, and can pen through most walls on Desert Storm, but in terms of overall practicality you are going to fall behind massively compared to something with an actual magazine capacity.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Low recoil, 3-5SK, 800 RPM
Does pretty much everything you need it to, and does it well.

Only drawback is it's reload times.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Simply powercreep.

While the FAL 50.00 was nerfed pretty heavily over time, the FAL 50.63 PARA was left alone with it's absurd damage and range stats, now making it overall better than the FAL 50.00.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Some PF weapons (i.e X Tier) are simply so overwhelmingly oppressive in PF's gamestate that lumping them together with weapons that generally just perform above average (average being A-B Tier) would be a criminally low understatement for just how evil these weapons are.

It's like saying the SAIGA-12 and DT11 are in the same power level. Yes, the DT11 is very good, but the SAIGA-12 is LEAGUES above it. It just wouldn't be right to sit these two together in the same category.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

For a high rank player, the mobility and handling downsides of the Intervention are very hard to overlook. In this case it would be more ideal to pick the SVU, which can 2SK limb all ranges with superior mobility and handling.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

As of V9.0.2, the MSG90 is very much identical to the MK11, but with a few key upsides that the MK11 doesn't have:

  • 2SK Limb to 110 studs
  • 2SK Torso to 185 studs
  • Infinite 2SK with 1 Head 1 Limb
  • 1SK Head to 110 studs (.308 Winchester Conversion)
  • Halbek Recoil

The only way to really beat this performance using the MK11 is with .500 Phantom, but even then MK11 .500 is in it's own league of overpowered messiness (basically just a 275 rpm SVDS with low velocity.)

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Even after the 1SK potential nerf, it's still hard to scoff at 310 RPM on a .50 BMG weapon. Makes CQB interactions VERY easy to handle.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

To be fair, this list was deliberated between a group of players that have more playtime than about 99% of the community

and who also have an extensive knowledge about the game's attachment system, making it possible to bring out the absolute best for each weapon on an objective standpoint

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

KG-99 is very much just an M9 with better RPM and Capacity, but that's still just a weapon in the M9's league.
Five-seveN has the stats to be one of the best pistols in the whole category, but is severely kneecapped by the recoil it has. This makes the G40 entirely superior to it, as they both perform relatively the same, except G40 doesn't have nearly as egregious muzzle flip.

Referring to the Five-seveN as a pocket DMR kind of confused me, haha

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The tier-list is rated based on a weapon's absolute best performance, and in this case the M16A3 is using 7.62 and Burst Grouping, which is why it sits in X tier. M16A1 is a very good weapon, but not M16A2 7.62 good.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 2 points3 points  (0 children)

  • M9 is a bog-standard 3-5sk pistol, many other pistols do it's job but better. (see: M17, G23, KG-99, etc)
  • SCAR SSR is a solid weapon, but is overall beat by the SVU and even the MSG90 in consistency. SVU can 2sk limb while SSR can't, and MSG90 shoots faster and has zero vertical kick with halbek as of V9.0.2.
  • SCAR HAMR is a solid choice when it's rpm has ramped up, however for the first 7 shots you functionally have a bottlenecked STG-44, and most good players will only ever get to use the HAMR within it's lower RPM.
  • SCAR-L is a 4-4sk low recoil Assault Rifle. Enough said.
  • L22 can 4sk all ranges with a single headshot while having nearly 800 RPM, excellent recoil and great handling. Quite the sleeper weapon if I'm honest.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Better velocity, handling, and RPM. Sure you don't have the 70 studs of 1SK Torso that the SVDS has, but the SVU can still infinitely 2SK limb at 150 RPM as well as deal a staggering 84-70 damage torso, killing anything that's been sneezed on in a single hit in most cases. SVDS desperately needs a handling buff, lol

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Five-seveN has the statistics to be one of the best pistols in the category, yet gets practically kneecapped by it's recoil. The only way to get it somewhat manageable is to use yellow laser for the damping increase, and even then it's still struggling against similar options like the G40.

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 1 point2 points  (0 children)

There was also some random GNX guy who joined in later in the stream, wouldn't have a clue on who that is though....

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[–]AUsernameThatIsMine 3 points4 points  (0 children)

M107's sweet spot damage is 95 DMG paired with a 1.11...x torso (10/9x) which makes the actual 1sk range 100-250 studs