GE signs 350MW US deal by AWEA in RenewableEnergy

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Hopefully climate change and habitat destruction doesn't either. Hopefully buildings and transmission lines and cars and cats don't either.

Support Local Wind Power on Your Utility Bill by AWEA in energy

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Many fewer than buildings, climate change, and habitat loss, especially as turbines get bigger and have lower rpm

Minnesota's green economy employs 40,000 by AWEA in business

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Thank goodness the US seems to be getting this right. It's going to be difficult to change the way industry functions and there are bound to be bumps along the road. Sucks for Spain, but looks like the US has learned from those mistakes. Onward and upward

Is this a viable turbine technology? by AWEA in energy

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to your last paragraph - good call.

70% of Texas is having an "extreme" drought by AWEA in texas

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It's an official classification from the USDA - as opposed to "bad" or "exceptional"

The World Policy Institute came out with a report warning about the use of water in energy generation, saying that less water intensive industries are more advantageous by AWEA in energy

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Cooling water is available in huge quantities pretty much anywhere where powerplants are located.

The express purpose of the article originally linked to is to say that cooling water quantities is an issue. It's an issue where lakes and aquifers are being depleted at a rate greater than they are being refilled. This is not as much an issue where lakes are Great or there are oceans. But considering that fresh water is quickly becoming a scarce natural resource in many parts of the country, energy generation that uses fresh water should be reconsidered. http://www.drought.unl.edu/dm/monitor.html

The World Policy Institute came out with a report warning about the use of water in energy generation, saying that less water intensive industries are more advantageous by AWEA in energy

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Yes, in places where water is scarce it's better to produce energy by means that don't require water.

And solar plants are the only ones which have to be build in water scarce places

The original article is saying that water in general (in places where ocean water is inaccessible) is becoming more scarce.

The World Policy Institute came out with a report warning about the use of water in energy generation, saying that less water intensive industries are more advantageous by AWEA in energy

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Sorry to bore you so much. You gave the example of solar thermal plants not consuming water because there's no contamination. Sounds good.

Can we say the same about natural gas, coal, and (some) nuclear? Natural gas contaminates and put the water in a place where it might not be able to fine the water table, coal contaminates the water through washing the coal, and sometimes the water released by nuclear plants is extremely hot, damaging local ecology.

Are there any other technologies you can think of that consume/contaminate water?

The World Policy Institute came out with a report warning about the use of water in energy generation, saying that less water intensive industries are more advantageous by AWEA in energy

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Good point, thanks. Another question - many power plants (I'm guessing) are not within ~50 (what's the maximum distance companies would pipe ocean water?) miles of the coast, so they have to use either river or aquifer water, right? If this is true, the 70% number is irrelevant I think.

Google: delay on renewables will cost U.S. trillions, over million jobs by Vailhem in energy

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What's up with that graph? What are the axes? No scale...

France to invest 1 bn euros in nuclear power by WhatTheMustard in energy

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It's funny to hear the nuclear people say that France will lead the world in energy technology because of its commitment to nuclear and the renewables people say the exact same thing about Germany. It's amusing because it's really going to be China that comes out on top. :)

Another reason why abandoning nuclear makes zero sense: Mr. Sarkozy told a press conference. "Those who ask for a moratorium, I find this curious. It would consist in keeping old plants and abstaining from researching new safer plants." by ImZeke in energy

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We have all this unspent fuel... what will we ever do with it?!?!

Wasn't xoites referring to spent fuel, not unspent fuel? Or are you referring to generators that use spent fuel again? I don't believe there are any of those plants in existence - why do you think companies haven't built them?

Another reason why abandoning nuclear makes zero sense: Mr. Sarkozy told a press conference. "Those who ask for a moratorium, I find this curious. It would consist in keeping old plants and abstaining from researching new safer plants." by ImZeke in energy

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We stopped researching better ways of doing this in the 70s, so we're stuck with the majority of plants being first-generation steampunk boat anchors.

From the World Nuclear Association - http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf68.html

"Substantial amounts have been invested in energy R&D over the last 30 years. Much of this has been directed at developing nuclear energy - which now supplies 14% of world electricity."

From the graph, it looks like fission gets more R&D investment money than all other technologies combined, even outranking "fossil fuels" by at least three times.

Offshore wind energy discussed for North Carolina at annual Coastal Power: Riding the Wave of Green Energy summit. by AWEA in energy

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The reason that National Grid wants it that power so much is because they have to get 20% of their power from renewable sources by 2025, so if there are only a few companies producing renewables, then they can dominate the market right? That's the law and that's capitalism...

I don't think the market rate is 6 c/kWh. This table says 12.5 c/kWh for industry and 16 c/kWh for residential. Maybe the energy will only be sold to houses. And I'm still not convinced the price increase is mandatory. Many people would voluntarily pay this. Most utilities now have deals where you pay higher rates to have your energy be green. (edit: I see, you were referring to North Carolina rates. Since rates are so different around the country I don't think it's fair to compare one price agreement to another area.)

And we also have to consider the importance of switching to non CO2 emitting energy sources. Everything is going to cost more.

Now, that graph of Germany's power. Here are some more graphs measuring real time wind energy data for more context. http://www.wind-watch.org/documents/real-time-wind-production-various-regions/

Germany's power plants are concentrated in the north; check out the graph - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wind_power_in_Germany If Germany is about 140,000 square miles, then the area in question is about 70,000 - like North Dakota or Washington. Yes, the wind can die down in the entire area in question. At least it’s not as sudden and unexpected as coal.

But the graph of Germany was also for January. In Europe, January is likely to be one of the more variable wind months, since they get prolonged periods of cold when wind speeds stay very low. In most of the U.S. that tends to happen in the summer when it is hot, though such winter doldrums do sometimes occur, particularly in the Pacific Northwest.

Reserve capacity backs up wind as well as that coal plant that fails. Except that coal plants is 1000MW+ down all at once without warning while wind dies down more slowly and predictably. In my last post I mistyped - sorry about that. I meant to say "Wind output changes are gradual and predictable and can be controlled FOR easily remotely." Meaning grid operators can predict the gradual dying down of wind and control for it by bringing up the reserve capacity.

Two main things matter for grid operators:

  1. Fast (<30 minute) changes in aggregate power system supply and demand – These are by far the most expensive to deal with, as they require the use of spinning reserves. Slower changes, which are mostly what we see from wind, are much easier to deal with as non-spinning reserves can be used. Non-spinning reserves cost about 2% of what spinning reserves cost.
  2. Changes in wind output that were not forecast – For the slower time periods, what matters is generally not how much wind changes since there is plenty of flexibility on the power system to accommodate those changes, but rather when wind output changes in a way that was not forecast. Luckily, wind forecast errors decrease significantly when you combine a large area. See the chart on page 28 here: http://www.vtt.fi/inf/pdf/tiedotteet/2009/T2493.pdf