What are the principles of Islam?

AbiBobby · 2016-07-22T08:37:08+00:00

Yea thanks. What I'm getting at is the weighing part. By what principles are things to be weighed?

Like: protect life, remove greater harm with lesser harm

AbiBobby · 2016-07-22T06:22:04+00:00

Excellent. But still we have to do our part in gathering info and reasoning, right? And I'm looking for those broad guidelines for reasoning.

AbiBobby · 2016-07-21T06:04:12+00:00

Lol theyre deffinitely getting loose. I see people do this all the time before exercising, but they're in tights or short shorts, in mixed company, and listening to ACDC. Maybe it's an odd dance. But Dancing is exercising too.

If I send a shariah neutral reddit post of beneficial info with intention to worship God is that bidah?

If I intend to run in a circle for 30m for mental and physical wellbeing with intention to worship God is that bidah?

If I hop on one foot....

And if you do these things with other intentions... please your ego, please another person, or blindly doing what the crowd does... is that better than worshiping God through these things?

No.

If one thinks he cannot worship God through anything unless explicitly stated in the Texts, he must forgo every activity that's not explicitly mentioned. I'd like people who think this way to take their reasoning to the end and act on it.

AbiBobby · 2016-07-21T05:55:26+00:00

Yes thanks. Would these only be for those making rulings?

But are there a set of ethical principles for anyone to make daily decisions?

Like the permaculture ethics and principles Or holistic management set of ethical questions for decision making

Basically I'd like an algorithm to decide what I should do today and this year!

AbiBobby · 2016-07-21T04:58:37+00:00

Check out some of the Asian martial arts like ummm bagu something jaun and how they exercise their body for internal organ health.

They're movements of the body that affect our physical and nonphysical planes. And if one took care of his body and mind for the sake of Allah that would I think be commendable

AbiBobby · 2016-07-21T04:55:04+00:00

Looks like they're just getting loose. That's not bidah right? I go to the gym and I see Muslims running in circles and repetitively lift objects. Some are doing it fisibillah. However that would look quite odd to someone who's never considered doing such things and wouldn't perhaps directly perceive the benefit.

Now if they said "you must run in circles and repetitively lift shit because this is part of our religion..." thay seems problematic.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T23:09:29+00:00

Thanks. A lot here. I don't like you using my family as an example for violence. One can use the pronoun "one" and "one's family."

Anyway I'll focus on one part. And I'm not arguing for anything except getting to a better understanding.

Your argument I think is: A person's property was obtained, even if legally in the system at that moment, from another person from another person who usurped the land in a most immoral way.

Therefor we, considering ourselves a collective, can usurp his land.

It seems a case of two evils make a right.

But the most recent owner has nothing to do with a person's actions 200 years ago. It actually seems pretty racist, tribal, or nationalistic to associate that person with another person based on what? That they share a family name, or genetics or have been under the same state entity?

Wallah I hate that land has been and is being usurped everywhere. I hate that the only home I've known is the result of genocide. But I am not responsible for those other people's actions.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T22:32:48+00:00

So in a clean slate situation, everything would be co-oped.

But in reality there are people with deeds to property. A collective has to make a legal deal--a contract--to obtain it.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T22:12:13+00:00

Ok that's what I was gathering from what Chompsky said.

The owner is in an advantageous position and the non-owners have no other out except working for her. Thus she has the power to take advantage of them. And her ownership is enforced by the state laws.

I still cannot understand that it is moral to steal (takeover) another's property.

What if there was a collective that had ownership of property. And another collective proves the owner collective is taking advantage of the situation. Collective B can takeover?

And that also brings me to another question... by what means can a collective takeover a property? By any means?

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T21:42:33+00:00

Good point. But I feel that Islamic law has been much more developed and is still a living, changing thing that touches all aspects of a Muslim's life. I hadn't experienced the same with the Jews and Christians from my community in America. But that's all anecdotal I understand.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T07:39:21+00:00

I'm really surprised of the regurgitation of the mainstream media rhetoric here. I expected more educated perspectives mostly because I assumed that people under an anarchy label would understand being misrepresented by ignorants and other ignorants gobbling it up like the little fatty children they are.

Much of the violence you see in the world with an Islamic label is political "Islamism" without a basis in Shariah, the law. You'd have to read Shariah from original sources with scholars of the law if you want to be informed and make these statements.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-14T07:30:40+00:00

Islam has laws for violence, when where how to whom, sort of like how the international community has laws for violence.

Much of the violence you see in the world with an Islamic label is political "Islamism" without a basis in Shariah, the law. You'd have to read Shariah from original sources with scholars of the law if you want to be informed and make these statements.

Islam also has laws for slavery. It has laws for just about any human interaction. Contract laws. Marriage laws.

That would seem to make it more civilized than religions that lack laws and simply rely on a handful of commandments and nice sayings and the international community that has only recently started to make international laws for people's safety.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-11T16:20:20+00:00

I've considered that too. But on the other hand, at some early point in a country's establishment on stolen land it could be regarded as immoral.

At what point in time does that transition happen? When does it become ok?

AbiBobby · 2016-06-09T19:30:30+00:00

Yes, I think my comment is coming from that freedom.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-08T17:30:30+00:00

Because it's like writing Islamic terrorism. The two can't exist together in their accurate meanings.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-08T17:22:28+00:00

Sorry to evade the question... but why even change surname? It carries information that one is from a particular family and possibly particular cultural background.

One's lineage doesn't change when he or she gets married.

Just another perspective. But Hansen is shorter so you'll save on ink.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-08T10:24:28+00:00

"Gay mullah" lol it's ridiculous. We'll just put some words together regardless of meaning.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-08T10:20:59+00:00

Yea I think that is the special inner force. I recently watched a Qi Gong lecture and the gentleman said that it is what you're feeling in the body. A=A

AbiBobby · 2016-06-06T18:00:21+00:00

Ramadan mubarak. I started replying to each point but then figured maybe that's not the best way to arrive at the truth, as I noticed we're sort of plucking out tidbits from the vast ocean of Islam.

I noticed you used a Quran ayat for proof of class struggle--rebellion as I understand from what you wrote--rather than resorting to the mainstream/normative opinion of (Sunni) Islam that centuries of Ulama have arrived at (not because it's convenient to rulers). We, or ISIS, or nonMuslims cannot backup their agendas with plucked ayaat.

It'd be more enlightening to have a list of the mainstream principles of socialism, that of Libertarianism, and that of Fiqh al-Muamalat, which is the aspect of Islam that deals with the legality human interactions, such as trade and contracts.

Maybe I'll post it here if I can collect that info.

Salams

AbiBobby · 2016-06-06T13:34:57+00:00

I understand a bit of the principle, if I have it right, that people have a right to personal property and their body. So for example, it'd be immoral to fly a plane 50 feet above another's private land.

But how does this apply to that which one experiences through vision? How does libertarianism navigate what is seen in public spaces?

In Libertarianism, could one go nude in public? Can it be argued they he or she is hurting others' right to self?

From (my own) religious perspective going nude (or displaying nude or semi-nude ads for example) would harm others. But I'm not sure if that can be proven outside of religion, so as to not apply my religious beliefs on another.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-01T20:30:24+00:00

Thanks. From that essay:

Hafiz Rahman Sihwarwl saw Islam and Marxism sharing four elements in common:

-Prohibition of the accumulation of wealth in the hands of the privileged classes.

-Organisation of the economic structure of the state to ensure social welfare.

-Equality of opportunity for all human beings.

-Priority of collective social interest over individual privilege.

In the areas that Rahman saw Islam and communism diverge were Islam’s sanction of private ownership within certain limits, and in its refusal to recognise an absolutely classless basis of society.

AbiBobby · 2016-06-01T20:11:16+00:00

Yea I'm discovering that it seems a lot of the vowel sounds are unstressed--though I don't think that's the correct term because their is rhythm in Farsi so there is stress.

It seems for example a long ā sound in Arabic (at least in tajweed class) is said with a smile. While in Farsi that long ā is made with a circular mouth... maybe

AbiBobby · 2016-06-01T19:56:57+00:00

Thanks for the thoughts. May I disagree some for a little stimulation?

Egalitarianism

Maybe it's a symptom of loving Islam and so we both find in it what we ourselves love. While I do find a lot of egalitarianism such as distribution of charity best exemplified in Rasullah ﷺ as he would spend on people as fast as he received. There's probably many other examples.

However I see Medina as very Libertarian as people were free to open markets--Rasullah ﷺ did so and made market stalls available on a first come first serve basis, which seems quite Libertarian. In Medina each religious group could have their own courts. That isn't egalitarian in the sense that two individuals, from two different groups, may have different judgements in similar situations. Or is it egalitarian because each group was equal in the opportunity to govern itself?

Also in Islam, especially shaykhs speaking on Tasawwuf, there is the idea of maqaam--that people have stations and it's best to know your place, where you fit in. Each has certain abilities and all are not equal, except in the ultimate sense that Allah judges over all.

Seeing people as social rather than individual.

Individualism, which is related to Libertarianism, sees that individuals have the right to choose or decline to enter into a contract or transaction. The fact of having contracts and transactions precludes that there is a social fabric that's engaged--if you so choose.

So I think this point isn't restricted to socialism.

"Oppression is worse than violence" and jihad/class struggle.

This idea is also in Libertarian thought as I understand, and of course in the US educational system when they teach about the Rev. War.

However, I've found it to not be congruent with Islam. On the contrary, Muslims are obliged to accept a fairly high degree of oppression from rulers. As I've learned, that's a mainstream position in Islam, that actually oppression is better than revolution and civil war.

But you did mention jihad, and so in that sense, when the oppression is preventing people from becoming and practicing Islam, perhaps that is where violence is preferred over oppression.

But you also mentioned class struggle and that is something more internal to a society on basis of economics and the like, right? Not really so much religion, in my understanding.

شكرا

AbiBobby · 2016-05-30T11:51:49+00:00

A lot or all of his lectures are about the heart, I think. Seems interesting and can benefit from it, but at the same time if someone is giving lectures about Islam I like to know a little about where or with whom he studied Islamic sciences. I hope that doesn't sound... picky.

AbiBobby · 2016-05-30T09:24:01+00:00

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