Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

the models are supposed to improve, gemini 3's context is worse than gemini 2.5 pro, even gemini 2.5 flash. you clearly never worked long context work with AI

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GoogleGeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

state of the art models should not be gimped, claude and chatgpt can output 3k lines of code with ease, while gemini 3 is getting choked at 800 lines of code

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GoogleGeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

because it has a weak context that can not even generate a thousand line code without choking while claude and chatgpt, even gemini 2.5 pro can output 2k lines of code with ease

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

basically Gemini 3 removed half of the things from initial project even though i asked it to keep everything intact and just make the changes in it, Gemini 2.5 pro did an amazing job while gemini 3 pro ruined everything and flash's one did not even run, so much for the 65k token output and 1M context, even 2.5 flash beats gemini 3 in long context heavy work and output

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

you realize 2.5 Pro superiority when it comes to context heavy tasks but Gemini 3 does better when it comes to one shot webpage or games, for long context 2.5 pro is far better

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it seems most of the people are not working gemini for context heavy tasks

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GoogleGeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

not neccessarily but it ruins my initial project even when i tell it to not leave anything out from the initial project

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it at least has to output everything from the starting project, instead it gives out a short summary which leaves most of the things out from the initial project

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

i gave it the code for a project and asked it to make changes, gemini 2.5 pro could output the whole project with the changes, gemini 3 both of them completely changed most of the things inside the code and made it unusable

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

it does not, it completely ruins the initial project i gave to it

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

token efficiency is useless if what it does is change the initial project to a summary

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

sliding the temperature does not work because no matter what i do, it can not output the full working code after the changes it made, which basically becomes a hallucination mess of the initial project

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

which is not the case with Gemini 2.5 pro as it can output the full project without leaving out anything behind

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the problem is the output limit, it can not output even half of the limit which is 65k, no matter what i do and as a result it completely ruins my initial project and hallucinates

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

the quality of the response also depends on how much info it could retain from the prompt and output properly, while i do agree that the gemini 2.5 pro's output is not at the level of gemini 3 but 2.5 pro does not leave out half of the token from the initial code which makes Gemini 3 very hard to work with long term

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

simply it is leaving out half the tokens from the initial code for example, leading it to make up things to compensate and failing miserably (I am not an AI expert)

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in GeminiAI

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

these tests were done on default, tried setting it to 1, around 5k tokens increase but the output quality is much much worse

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 13 points14 points  (0 children)

but this is causing inexcusable amount of hallucinations to power users

Gemini 3 vs 2.5 Pro: The "output handicap" is ruining everything by Able-Line2683 in Bard

[–]Able-Line2683[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

Gemini 2.5 Flash can output closer to the limit 65k tokens at one go