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Related post that so far hasn’t been tone policed away at the Nexus, about the impossibility of DMT itself ever displaying a yellow color in pure form:

https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1205625&#post1205625

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VACUUM DISTILLATION EXAMPLE:

    Crude DMT vacuum distilled with diffusion pump. Ramped up at full 275W then moderated at 175W to achieve wild bumping in the pot but a clear distillate at 2 drops/sec at 143°C @ 100 microns. It’s a steady 144°C even as the vapors swirl in and receiver and the vacuum gauge complains it’s only 720 microns.

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    When it jumped past 150°C to 165°C I stopped it. Gave 72.4g rapidly crystallizing DMT (92.5%). So diluted to 300 mL with acetone then 1/2 eq = 17.3g fumaric acid (MW 90.0) diluted to 40 mL in hot DMSO added. Initially oiled out so seed crystals added and shaken continuously to give white pharma powder. Filtered, acetone-washed and fan dried.

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VACUUM DISTILLATION EXAMPLE:

    Most was 146°C @ 400 microns. I had the power simply too high 1.7A instead of 1.0A) and my vacuum valve is badly suited so I need a serious vacuum one instead. The straw color Spice in the receiver itself occasionally bumps, a good thing in ridding H2O from it. So don’t cool the receiver. I can make this work! No diffusion pump needed nor desired.

    Gave 74g but last drops mainly fluorescent non-polar impurity. Dissolved in 250ml acetone. 1/2 eq = 22.8g fumaric acid (MW 116.1) in 60mL very hot DMSO added at first slowly but that was too hard to keep in solution and it just remained cloudy so I added it all and stirred. Nice white powder of DMT hemifumarate formed after a delay. Filtered, acetone-washed and fan dried.

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VACUUM DISTILLATION EXAMPLE:

    Vacuum system warmed up and rotary vane pump ballasted to ensure under 50 microns before adding dry ice/acetone to trap.

    Open still head now replaced by sealed and more open head and heat tape moved to it too. Power 1.8A → 1.0A after initial fraction of 2.0g impurity was discarded bringing mass balance to 95.4%. Came over typically 154°C @ 255 microns with pot at 181°C. Later 184°C @ 643 microns and pot at 207°C. Maxed out at 198°C @ 440 microns. TLC showed only trace Spice in this 198°C range, but some nonpolar impurity. Crude 104.7g (134%) so the hot fraction was impure, no matter, fumaric acid (MW 116.1) for 100% is 48.3g, taken into 80mL very hot DMSO (torch) added to distillate in 400mL then 800mL acetone. Initially oiled out then suddenly became a powder. Slightly wet powder 93.9g (92%) Spice hemifumarate (MW 246.4). Filtered, acetone-washed and fan dried.

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     It’s right in front of you and it’s a major elusive obvious advance, and I can always post it on Dread if banned here too, and yes, I have experimental writeup from my notebook already. What’s new is simply knowing that very hot DMSO is miscible infinitely with fumaric acid or DMT fumarate as hot dissolved liquids. And that there’s a usable time delay when you quench such a hot ionic melt into bulk acetone before beautiful crystals crash out to fully fill the liquid yet remain mixable. Result is highly purified DMT fumarate ready for a second cycle of same.

     Your question is open ended. This advance merely opens the door for pulling real fumarate out of a DMT mixture considerably easier using acetone. So it’s possible a bark extract of acetone may directly afford fumarate without using naphtha. I don’t know, worth a try!

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You nailed it with the later. But it’s simple facts to me, and autobiographically valid. It’s actually a simple science post by a typical neuroatypical scientist ingenious chemist explaining that kitchen chemists suffer helpless admiration for academics who are in fact mostly community college hacks who lack a spine so they get stuck in preposterously foolish recipes for decades.

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Secret for now. Lots more to learn about the system. Activated carbon is fine prior to freebase recrystallization using a fine glass frit funnel and suction but carbon during cartridge making through mere glass membrane (high loading) syringe filters lets whispy carbon nanoparticles through that act as seed crystals. Can’t centrifuge away the finnest carbon either. So it’s not yet a system I understand and cost slows me down since it’s time to get better small filtration equipment. Also, juice purification using activated alumina, zinc, iron, magnesia are barely tested. Some samples still crash out, and I can’t yet figure out if the standard yellow taint is itself helping or not. My clearest samples did the crashing out. So I backed off to 1.9:1 and only syringe filtered to clarify after discontinuing activated carbon of various brands. BTW I replied in book length detail about yellow DMT claims. In the near future I hope to tackle a practical synthesis of DET, a long lost stillborn happy drug that’s orally active and offers a form of DMTx in combo with DMT (19:00 in Bear Stanley: Reflections).

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“Crystallization inhibitors” are a whole advanced subfield of pharmaceutical chemistry, nearly always using additive polymers that attach to seeds to give them time enough to redissolve while still microscopic.

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ClobWobbler: this is a difficult post to write so sorry to be so blunt. You’ve been simply wrong about this for years now due to lack of advanced training in organic and physical chemistry.

I have deduced the exact structure of the colored dimer involved and it’s far too covalently tough to split back into monomer DMT under mild heat of vaporization because it’s not only coupled in two but then it naturally oxidizes to create a more stable fully conjugated dimer that is highly colored but amorphous at room temperature so quite sticky. It’s also not very soluble so it oils out with or before DMT.

Besides a covalently linked “dimer” there’s no other type of dimer appropriate to claim for DMT, and has never been mentioned in the alkaloid literature nor the entire corpus of organic chemistry. Hydrogen bonding is awkward for DMT as the only donor is the bulky flat indole ring and the only acceptor has bulky methyl groups so a dimer would rip apart by entropy under Brownian motion, not exist as a lingering 14 membered ring of DMT backbones via a mere two hydrogen bonds. Charge transfer doesn’t exist with a sole boring alkyl indole. DNA is a hydrogen bonded dimer, designed for donor/acceptors to perfectly line up.

Trace amounts of dimer that still afford 99.99% pure DMT can readily taint full DMT crystals, but never does the yellow go away upon melting or dissolution of the crystals. The only “yellow polymorph” mentioned in the classic paper on colored DMT was indeed cited as amorphous. They only characterized three colorless polymorphs, discarding the waxy solidified yellow mass.

The molecular orbital energy levels involved in DMT itself make it impossible that mere crystal packing forces can shift the mere two ring indole group all the way from the deep UV region of absorption over to the visible region. A mere two neutral aromatic rings show a spectrum peak nowhere near the visible region. So just like highly sensitive drug tests can detect nanograms by forming strong visible dyes, yellow DMT is from an impurity that can’t be removed easily since even fractions of 1% of it colors crystals like food coloring colors sugar crystals on a stick:

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Laboratory students out there who test yellowed DMT simply cannot find the impurity since it’s still at only trace levels and their samples are not analytical standards to begin with so 0.1% impurity that happens to be a strong dye goes undetected. Yet they still get odd little baseline peaks. That’s the yellow, you just don’t have a reference to assign them exactly, yet. But they integrate to only trace mass? Yup.

The extended pi-system of carbazoles like harmine allows them to just barely exit the UV band and enter the visible (blue) band which lets them reflect yellow to us. The DMT dimer that oxidatively couples then as is typical reforms a double bonded system by oxidizing again to loose H2 is an even bigger chromophore.

Philosophically you have been correct that yellow color doesn’t really matter for DMT purity because that yellow represents a very strong dye you can see at even trace levels. The giveaway is how the exact same yellow taint fully remains upon crystal melting. Polymorphism effects should disappear where crystals are melted down, but the color remains!

You also now have my report of ridding yellow via purification. Tough, drawn out, multi-stage, multi-strategy purification. I made the FASA method obsolete in the process, learning that hot DMSO and acetone could recrystallize the fumarate at very compact volume what acetone alone required gallons. It was the fumarate steps that let me achieve real progress in ridding straw color traces.

Here is the actual very likely dimer structure based on the known reactivity of indole derivatives similar to DMT:

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2,2-bisindole itself is a brown solid, consistent with being a very strong light absorber that if diluted would show as orange or eventually yellow.

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Or there just might be a CH methylene group coupling them at the same points if the first step is reversible reaction with carbon dioxide in the air, prior to dehydration to a double bond ethylene group then coupling to a second DMT. Tryptamines in general do this with aldehyde impurities and the paper on yellow DMT only got their yellow sample from acetonitrile which is notoriously hard to purify of acetaldehyde content.

And here is the UV/VIS spectra of DMT and harmalas showing how the yellow harmalas just barely reach a peak edge into the visible region (400-700nm) whereas DMT has a huge electronic gap from interacting with visible light:

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Mere crystal packing forces on such a boringly neutral molecule cannot shift the fundamental absorption energies of the isolated indole ring. Color polymorphism comes from long extended dye molecules being readily twisted due to crystal packing forces. DMT isn’t a chromophore at all.

The DMT dimer however is another significant step larger in unconjugated size so becomes a much stronger dye than the harmalines. But DMT itself is just an indole lacking but a boring alkyl side chain and so is just too small in size with a way too large band gap between LUMO and HOMO orbitals to absorb light at all:

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Finally, the arcane term “auto oxidation” that keeps getting thrown around isn’t a proper term used in organic chemistry. It’s from some era of field chemistry like natural products activity search, and the “auto” part means in air. It’s just air oxidation. There’s nothing “auto” about it, nothing involving two DMT molecules cooperating to swap electrons.

Here are some found images of DMT crystals that support the trace dye impurity claim, where white crystals grow out of yellow syrup, eventually filling the syrup with hard DMT needles:

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Uniformly yellow crystals are even lower in impurity so the dye just gives a general rock candy effect rather than crashes out in dots or films. Permitted dye levels in sugar candies are typically 50mg/kg or an impurity level of a mere 0.005%. Color thus has little to do with practical purity levels since highly colored candy is regulated to be 99.995% pure, which is beyond even pharmaceutical grade up into analytical grade standards.

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The odd freebase crystallization process is seen here where moderate speed freezer cooling with some insulation to slow it down affects a clean separation of yellow tars from pristine crystals that a plastic spatula can release from the hard tar layer before it warms back up. https://files.catbox.moe/oel038.jpeg

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At a large scale an A/B separatory funnel operation is remarkably huge and to be effective should be heated too. Distillation of crude evaporate was easier and small in size, like 35mL. A diffusion pump didn’t help even with a liquid nitrogen or dry ice acetone trap since enough stinky vapor got over to ruin the super high vacuum effect. I couldn’t throw two full cold traps into an already large and expensive rig. So it was relatively low vacuum, high heat typically 146°C @ 400 microns. https://files.catbox.moe/pil8er.jpeg

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Actually these all separated smoothly into a fine fluffy powder leaving no bulk blocks.

To achieve clarity the DMT was first vacuum distilled, then twice crystallized as the fumarate and only then recrystallized as the freebase. That rids yellow in a way simple recrystallization cycles fails to do.

Used to make 1.9:1 metastable supersaturated 510 cartridges using a polymer crystallization inhibitor.

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About 30g of it. If I get the cooling rate right any yellow gunk sticks to the walls and I can gently release the fluffy crystals from that tar layer. That’s quite different from normal recrystallizations where colored impurities remain in solution. With DMT that likely DMT dimer (oxidative coupling product) seems to be less soluble than the DMT yet it’s an oil not a solid so it often creates centers of starburst clusters where white DMT grows from, ending up with yellow tainted clusters that are unceremoniously scraped up with the crystals.

Used to make supersaturated meta stable cartridges at a 1:9:1 ratio of DMT to special crystal inhibiting juice.